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What werethe name of these tests? I only ask because there is still a huge debate in psych today about "culture fair tests" being the most accurate yet the most popular ones are not culture fair or culture free.
Most of the ones that I know from this time are culture fair (supposedly) because no reading or writing is involved.
There is a book about this called "Even the Mouse Was White."
I will look up the book.
I read about the WWI tests a while ago via Thomas Sowell's book of essays mentioned above, so will have to do a little digging in the book to find out the exact test via references cited (I'm pretty certain though that it was the Army Intelligence Test developed during WW1 as all recruits were required to take this test, you can find an example of it by googling it).
From Sowell's Essay:
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Nevertheless the process took a long time. As late as the First World War, white soldiers from Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi scored lower on mental tests than black soldiers from Ohio, Illinois, New York and Pennsylvania. Again, neither race nor racism can explain that--and neither can slavery.
This particular essay mentions that there were vasts differences in education between the north and southern areas of the US. Also that public education as stated was much more widely available to all for residents in the above stated northern/midwestern states.
During WW1 most of the Americans who took the mental tests issued by the miilitary scored poorly. This era was a catalyst in the creation of more widely available public schools in order to increase academic advancement of the country.
A large amount of the black population in the north prior to and during WWI were descended from free persons of color, like my ancestors and they were reared in a more diverse, educationally enriching environment versus a poor rural, southern, white person. As stated my own family were highly educated for that time period having completed high school and in our area schools were not segregated post 1880s and there were free public schools since about the 1860s, something uncommon in many rural and southern/rural areas.
And FWIW, I agree with those who believe that the most popular tests are not culture fair, which is why I take these tests results for the grain of salt they are as most IMO are biased in some way, even the ones today as many rely on verbal acuity and IMO there can be a bias in regards to vocabulary used by culture, especially in regards to native English speakers being that English is a hybrid language that has a lot of synonyms and antonyms and ways to correctly or adequately rely certain words and phrases.
I read about the WWI tests a while ago via Thomas Sowell's book of essays mentioned above, so will have to do a little digging in the book to find out the exact test via references cited (I'm pretty certain though that it was the Army Intelligence Test developed during WW1 as all recruits were required to take this test, you can find an example of it by googling it).
From Sowell's Essay:
This particular essay mentions that there were vasts differences in education between the north and southern areas of the US. Also that public education as stated was much more widely available to all for residents in the above stated northern/midwestern states.
During WW1 most of the Americans who took the mental tests issued by the miilitary scored poorly. This era was a catalyst in the creation of more widely available public schools in order to increase academic advancement of the country.
A large amount of the black population in the north prior to and during WWI were descended from free persons of color, like my ancestors and they were reared in a more diverse, educationally enriching environment versus a poor rural, southern, white person. As stated my own family were highly educated for that time period having completed high school and in our area schools were not segregated post 1880s and there were free public schools since about the 1860s, something uncommon in many rural and southern/rural areas.
And FWIW, I agree with those who believe that the most popular tests are not culture fair, which is why I take these tests results for the grain of salt they are as most IMO are biased in some way, even the ones today as many rely on verbal acuity and IMO there can be a bias in regards to vocabulary used by culture, especially in regards to native English speakers being that English is a hybrid language that has a lot of synonyms and antonyms and ways to correctly or adequately rely certain words and phrases.
In concurrence to what you said, I want to bring up two people. Paul Laurence Dunbar, and Langston Hughes. Dunbar was born and raised in Dayton,OH, went to high school there, and he was a childhood friend of the Wright Brothers. They helped him get a small publication started before he got into writing. Langston Hughes was born in Kansas, but lived part of his life in Cleveland, where he learned about socialism and other political concepts from immigrants in that time.
And then I bring up W.E.B. DuBois. First Black man to get a PhD from Harvard. He's from Massachusetts. He felt that education was necessary for Blacks to succeed.
George Washington Carver. Born a slave in Missouri, but he would eventually attend college in Iowa. He would revolutionize agriculture in the South.
In concurrence to what you said, I want to bring up two people. Paul Laurence Dunbar, and Langston Hughes. Dunbar was born and raised in Dayton,OH, went to high school there, and he was a childhood friend of the Wright Brothers. They helped him get a small publication started before he got into writing. Langston Hughes was born in Kansas, but lived part of his life in Cleveland, where he learned about socialism and other political concepts from immigrants in that time.
And then I bring up W.E.B. DuBois. First Black man to get a PhD from Harvard. He's from Massachusetts. He felt that education was necessary for Blacks to succeed.
George Washington Carver. Born a slave in Missouri, but he would eventually attend college in Iowa. He would revolutionize agriculture in the South.
But don't you get the feeing that City Data Forum is searching out and fishing for African American Dirty Laundry instead of African American Achievements ....LOL......
But don't you get the feeing that City Data Forum is searching out and fishing for African American Dirty Laundry instead of African American Achievements ....LOL......
Of course, because the former promotes/supports the doctrine of white supremacy held by many on this forum.
But don't you get the feeing that City Data Forum is searching out and fishing for African American Dirty Laundry instead of African American Achievements ....LOL......
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Of course, because the former promotes/supports the doctrine of white supremacy held by many on this forum.
I agree with both, but want to also add that CD/POC in my opinion mirrors the attitudes of the populace in many ways and we should be wise to see and acknowledge that the ideology of black inferiority is well entrenched in American society and is not going away.
That is not a "whine" or "attitude" or even something that causes this black woman much stress or worry. It is a reality and only when we recognize reality for what it is and question why we are so invested in proving millions of people to be inferior to another group, that is the only time that we may start to gain some answers and truly start to whittle away at this deeply entrenched social ideology in America.
I agree with both, but want to also add that CD/POC in my opinion mirrors the attitudes of the populace in many ways and we should be wise to see and acknowledge that the ideology of black inferiority is well entrenched in American society and is not going away.
That is not a "whine" or "attitude" or even something that causes this black woman much stress or worry. It is a reality and only when we recognize reality for what it is and question why we are so invested in proving millions of people to be inferior to another group, that is the only time that we may start to gain some answers and truly start to whittle away at this deeply entrenched social ideology in America.
In the 1950's, gays were outcast and hence sought deception (in the closet) in order to blend in and not pay a social and economic cost for being openly gay. It's important to note that this deception meant actually taking on the traits of a heterosexual, such as getting married to someone of the opposite sex, having children, not talking about things that would reveal that they are gay, etc. Meanwhile, during that same time racist were running around saying "Ngggr, Nggggr, Ngggr, inferior, inferior, inferior" out in the open because such was normative language and accepted beliefs and opinions of that period.
In 2015, there has been a change in the occupants of the closet. Many gay people are no longer living a life of deceit aimed at fooling the world so that they will not pay a social and economic cost. There are laws that now protect them from such cost and now they are open with who they are. Meanwhile, to be a racist in society in 2015 is akin to being gay 1950 in that its not socially accepted and there is a social and economic cost, as well as a MORAL cost, to being openly racist. Thus, the 2015 racist uses the strategy of the 1950 homosexual, which is to attempt to BLEND IN and try to appear like a non racist.
Yes, just like the gay married person in 1950, the 2015 racist often has black friends and relationships...even intimate relationships. They also know what words and phrases to use and not to use so that people will not be suspect. Just like you would not hear a gay person hiding behind an opposite sex marriage commenting on how he or she would like to sleep with someone of the same sex, today you are not going to find someone who is hiding their racism openly and directly calling black people inferior to whites. However, likely then, like now....there are signs, even when you are not in the open.
Humans seek social acceptance. Hence, when humans harbor a socially unacceptable and looked down upon characteristic about themselves....they try to repress and hide that characteristic to fit in society. They seek to DENY that they are that way....because it causes moral injury to the self. Then they try to deny it to others because it causes moral injury when you are looked down upon by others. Hence, the racist, today, feels he or she can avoid the moral injury and stigma by find a rationalization/justification for their beliefs. Ergo, they are really not racist if there beliefs are based upon TRUTHS....like statistics. They therefore provide observations without explanations to justify/hide their racism. In other words, they want you to observe black crime rates, out of wedlock births, IQ scores (implied relative to whites) and this becomes their justification for looking down upon blacks. Yet....they will not give their explanation of why the observation exists as true....because their explanation will reveal their root racism..... the belief that blacks are inferior to whites.
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But don't you get the feeing that City Data Forum is searching out and fishing for African American Dirty Laundry instead of African American Achievements ....LOL......
I do and see this all the time. This is why when I see Black American achievement, I put it all over. All alot of people want to do is complain about Black people, so I put something counter to that.
It has been said that poverty creates crime. However, whites in rural, trailer park communities have nowhere near the level of violence and crime that blacks and Hispanics in the inner city do. Problems of the inner city are children born out of wedlock and raised in single parent households with absent fathers. Kids raised without fathers are likely to grow up poor, dropout of school, join gangs or sell drugs, go to prison, or become teenage parents. Is there less crime and violence because of a lower percentage of white children born out of wedlock in poor communities? Is it because rural communities are located in the middle of nowhere and sort of isolated?
Because the idiots who live in poor white communities are:
a) idiots
b) drunk off their arses
c) high on whatever drug they scraped out of their fingernails that day, (slightly exaggerated)
d) idiots
e) too stupid and drunk to fight well
f) idiots
There's a lot of fighting going on in poor white trailer trash communities. Have you never seen an episode of Cops? The difference is that poor white trailer trash don't typically use guns to solve their differences, (which is funny considering liberals think that all white trailer trash people are loaded with guns and ammo), they do it with their drunken fists. Eventually one will land a punch, the other will start bleeding profusely, the cops get called, the idiots go to jail for the night or weekend, and then all of their idiot drunk loser trailer trash friends bail their nasty butts out to do it all over again the next night/weekend.
They don't tend to start it with people that they don't know. They tend to fight amongst themselves. You can drive through a trailer trash community, and the most you're going to get is someone drunken yelling at you about how you "ain't from around here is ya?" and a bunch of leering. Yeah, creepy and disturbing, but no one is firing at you, trying to hit you with something, or attempting to steal from you, for making a wrong turn. They're too drunk to stand up let alone chase after you.
Because the idiots who live in poor white communities are:
a) idiots
b) drunk off their arses
c) high on whatever drug they scraped out of their fingernails that day, (slightly exaggerated)
d) idiots
e) too stupid and drunk to fight well
f) idiots
There's a lot of fighting going on in poor white trailer trash communities. Have you never seen an episode of Cops? The difference is that poor white trailer trash don't typically use guns to solve their differences, (which is funny considering liberals think that all white trailer trash people are loaded with guns and ammo), they do it with their drunken fists. Eventually one will land a punch, the other will start bleeding profusely, the cops get called, the idiots go to jail for the night or weekend, and then all of their idiot drunk loser trailer trash friends bail their nasty butts out to do it all over again the next night/weekend.
They don't tend to start it with people that they don't know. They tend to fight amongst themselves. You can drive through a trailer trash community, and the most you're going to get is someone drunken yelling at you about how you "ain't from around here is ya?" and a bunch of leering. Yeah, creepy and disturbing, but no one is firing at you, trying to hit you with something, or attempting to steal from you, for making a wrong turn. They're too drunk to stand up let alone chase after you.
I almost never go to trailer parks. I don't know everything about trailer park dynamics. However, I have been around situations where there were White people fighting.
On another note, all of this could be said of poor rural Black areas. Most of the violence coming from Blacks frequently comes from urban areas. Mississippi has the 2nd highest murder rate in the nation. However, the Black murder rate is among the lowest in the USA. Wisconsin has one of the lowest murder rate in the nation. However, the Black murder rate is one of the highest in the nation. Mississippi has the highest percentage of its Black population in rural areas, and it's the least urbanized in the nation. In Wisconsin, 7 out of 10 Blacks live in Milwaukee, and Milwaukee's murder rate has taken a spike.
One cannot compare rural, poor White areas to poor, inner city Black areas. Big difference between the two. It would be better to compare rural Black areas to rural White areas.
But don't you get the feeing that City Data Forum is searching out and fishing for African American Dirty Laundry instead of African American Achievements ....LOL......
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