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Agreed, but what is expected is prediction of violence towards others, prior to the violence occurring. That just isn't going to happen with any realistic accuracy. If we all go through screening, I guarantee you most of us would lose our rights...
Freedom for the American people, unless you are for institutionalizing millions of people for fear of future crimes.
The history of mental institutions isn't a good one; why so many want to bring them back is beyond me. I guess we need some place to conduct our human experiments.
I agree they were horrid places rampant with abuse but when we closed them, we did interestingly see a rise in violent crime, some of which were barbaric.
The one question I ask is how would an American have freedom if they are dead because another "free American" whom suffers a mental illness and is known to be violent shot them?
I agree they were horrid places rampant with abuse but when we closed them, we did interestingly see a rise in violent crime, some of which were barbaric.
The one question I ask is how would an American have freedom if they are dead because another "free American" whom suffers a mental illness and is known to be violent shot them?
Crime is at 30 to 40 year lows after the release of the mentally ill.
Do you hold the same standards of black males that are more likely to commit violent acts against others than any other group?
Agreed, but what is expected is prediction of violence towards others, prior to the violence occurring. That just isn't going to happen with any realistic accuracy. If we all go through screening, I guarantee you most of us would lose our rights...
I have no desire to discuss that as that isn't my position. Once someone has been violent it is no longer just an expectation of violence. Besides the courts would never allow "an expectation" to stand.
This is a problem with no agreeable solution, not today, not tomorrow, not next year. Just like the last mass shooting the next mass shooting will change nothing. I am gun owner, mentally stable, responsible, and law abiding. I would support measures to restrict guns under the right premise, but the issue is i have no idea what the right measures are?? We cannot do it based off expectations, assumptions, or profiling. The reality is there is and will likely never be a one size fits all solution. What we need more than any law is a change in culture. A culture that values life and doesnt glorify violence. A culture that respects life versus looking at it as disposable. I used to look at people who said gun restrictions only hurt legal owners and think that is cop out/a load of crap. Now that i have grown up and had a change in feelings on things i realize its true. If you made a new gun law tomorrow the majority of legit owners would follow it regardless of their personal beliefs, however i dont think we have to look further than any big city (Chicago, Detroit, NYC) to see that gun laws have really accomplished nothing, its a change of culture that does.
Great response. People forget conservatives that complained about how much of your paychecks goto the government forget that people like Ronald Reagan closed many state run mental institutions in California forcing the crazies onto the street. That is unless conservatives want to increase the debt that much.
So how does the Op propose getting to mental illness records> That is the problem with the checks now ;not much other than the person saying yes or no because police records do not show mental on record check. Its bad enough we send police to deal with known mental illness cases because mental authorities who have access do not want anything to do with securing and transporting them. Police are over burden with criminal cases as it is.
So how does the Op propose getting to mental illness records> That is the problem with the checks now ;not much other than the person saying yes or no because police records do not show mental on record check. Its bad enough we send police to deal with known mental illness cases because mental authorities who have access do not want anything to do with securing and transporting them. Police are over burden with criminal cases as it is.
I honestly don't know. It wont come from tax revenue, the OP has made it clear he wants the 16th amendment to be repealed entirely.
Please tell me, who you know has killed someone and is not mentally ill? And we're not discussing war here....
Jeffrey Dahmer, convicted on multiple homicides, given full psychological screening found competent to stand trial and guilty of his crimes.
Ted Bundy, convicted of multiple rapes/murders, given full psychological screening found competent to stand trial and guilty of his crimes.
Richard Ramirez, convicted of multiple homicides, robberies, rapes, given full psychological screening, found competent to stand trial and guilty of his crimes.
James Eagan Holmes , convicted of multiple homicides, given full psychological screening found competent to stand trial and guilty of his crimes.
They're just four I can name that are likely famous enough to be known about.
All of these people were placed under court ordered strict supervision and evaluation for competency by licensed medical and mental health professionals, prior to standing trial and all were found to be mentally competent.
So the courts have found that these killed people and were not mentally ill. If they were mentally ill enough, they would have been committed for mental health treatment and not imprisoned for their crimes. If they were mentally sound enough to stand trial, then they are mentally sound enough to run a business, drive, live without assistance.
Of course it depends on how you define mentally ill, everyone is mentally ill to a certain extent (we all have issues and divergences from norm), but these were found to be legally competent, which is the actual metric that should be used.
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