There is no voter fraud, but it is odd that 141 counties have more registered voters.... (cost, high school)

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

If someone moves and leaves the county, they remain registered in their former county until they register, elsewhere, no?

Not necessarily, here is some estimates from a Pew study. Note that these aren't all fraudulent registrations, it does highlight the potential for fraud.

Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient

• Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
• More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
• Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

than live citizens:

141 counties have more registered voters than eligible live citizens | Power Line

Dems do have a great turnout machine, we know that.

As stated before, this is because registrars either cant or wont do their jobs. You have to manually remove dead people and people who move from the voter rolls.

I would like to remind you that Republicans control Michigan(which had the most counties on the list)

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Took a look at the counties in Illinois. They are small, mostly white, rural , downstate and trend Republican.

If someone moves and leaves the county, they remain registered in their former county until they register, elsewhere, no?

Various watchdogs groups have identified thousands of dead people who are still registered to vote in every state. They also find that some of them continue to vote, despite being dead. While there's not enough to make a difference in a national election, they certainly could in some tight local elections.

I have never once seen that proven. I have seen it be debunked because the poll worker simply marked the wrong name or because 2 people across the state have similar names.

I have no issue requiring voter ID. Who are these people that manage to live their lives without an ID?

There are plenty of people who do, you can go on Youtube and view local stories of people who have voted for 60 years but couldnt last year because of voter ID laws.

[mmmjv]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

than live citizens:

141 counties have more registered voters than eligible live citizens | Power Line

Dems do have a great turnout machine, we know that.

Romney won most of those counties. Was he committing voter fraud?
COUNTY STATE REGISTRATION RATE
Lowndes County (Obama) Alabama 127%
Perry County (Obama) Alabama 113%
Greene County (Obama) Alabama 112%
Macon County (Obama) Alabama 112%
Wilcox County (Obama) Alabama 110%
Marengo County (Obama) Alabama 104%
Hale County (Obama) Alabama 104%
Washington County (Romney) Alabama 103%
Conecuh County (Obama) Alabama 102%
Choctaw County (Romney) Alabama 102%
Apache County (Romney) Arizona 101%
Obama 8 Romney 3

Mineral County (Romney) Colorado 133%
Hinsdale County (Romney) Colorado 116%
San Juan County (Obama) Colorado 115%
Ouray County (Obama) Colorado 112%
Pitkin County (Obama) Colorado 105%
Summit County (Obama) Colorado 105%
Dolores County (Romney) Colorado 104%
San Miguel County (Obama) Colorado 103%
Cheyenne County (Romney) Colorado 101%
Boulder County (Obama) Colorado 101%
Obama 6 Romney 5

Mcintosh County (Romney) Georgia 142%
Marion County (Romney Georgia 129%
Obama 0 Romney 2

Franklin County (Romney) Illinois 190%
Pulaski County (Romney) Illinois 176%
Washington County (Romney) Illinois 150%
Henderson County (Obama) Illinois 148%
Union County (Romney) Illinois 138%
Rock Island County (Obama) Illinois 133%
Alexander County (Obama) Illinois 130%
Massac County (Romney) Illinois 125%
Hardin County (Romney) Illinois 119%
Mercer County (Obama) Illinois 109%
Crawford County (Romney) Illinois 109%
Wabash County (Romney Illinois 105%
White County (Romney) Illinois 104%
Jersey County (Romney) Illinois 104%
Jefferson County (Romney) Illinois 102%
Sangamon County (Romney) Illinois 101%
Scott County (Romney) Illinois 101%
Obama 4 Romney 13

Crawford County (Romney) Indiana 112%
Scott County (Romney) Indiana 107%
Franklin County (Romney) Indiana 106%
Brown County (Romney) Indiana 104%
Tipton County (Romney) Indiana 104%
Union County (Romney) Indiana 103%
Orange County (Romney) Indiana 103%
Dearborn County (Romney) Indiana 102%
Newton County (Romney) Indiana 102%
Warrick County (Romney) Indiana 101%
Clark County (Romney) Indiana 101%
Obama 0 Romney 11

Fremont County (Romney) Iowa 104%
Lyon County (Romney) Iowa 101%
Obama 0 Romney 2

Gove County (Romney) Kansas 116%
Cherokee County (Romney) Kansas 105%
Bourbon County (Romney) Kansas 102%
Rawlins County (Romney) Kansas 101%
Obama 0 Romney 4


Breathitt County (Romney) Kentucky 110%
Fulton County (Romney) Kentucky 106%
Menifee County (Romney) Kentucky 105%
Magoffin County (Romney) Kentucky 103%
Wolfe County (Romney) Kentucky 103%
Trimble County (Romney) Kentucky 103%
Monroe County (Romney) Kentucky 103%
Carlisle County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Mercer County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Floyd County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Powell County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Owsley County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Anderson County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Cumberland County (Romney) Kentucky 102%
Leslie County (Romney) Kentucky 101%
Caldwell County (Romney) Kentucky 101%
Hancock County (Romney) Kentucky 101%
Livingston County (Romney) Kentucky 101%
Obama 0 Romney 18

Tensas Parish (Obama) Louisiana 109%
St. Helena Parish (Obama) Louisiana 104%
Cameron Parish (Romney) Louisiana 102%
Obama 2 Romney 1

Leelanau County (Romney) Michigan 109%
Roscommon County (Romney) Michigan 107%
Charlevoix County (Romney) Michigan 107%
Otsego County (Romney) Michigan 107%
Ontonagon County (Romney) Michigan 107%
Antrim County (Romney) Michigan 107%
Dickinson County (Romney) Michigan 106%
Emmet County (Romney) Michigan 106%
Genesee County (Obama) Michigan 105%
Iosco County (Romney) Michigan 105%
Kalkaska County (Romney) Michigan 105%
Berrien County (Romney) Michigan 105%
Keweenaw County (Romney) Michigan 104%
Benzie County (Romney) Michigan 104%
Mackinac County (Romney) Michigan 104%
Gladwin County (Romney) Michigan 104%
Alcona County (Romney) Michigan 103%
Gogebic County (Obama) Michigan 103%
Cheboygan County (Romney) Michigan 102%
Menominee County (Romney) Michigan 102%
Montmorency County (Romney) Michigan 101%
Saginaw County (Obama) Michigan 101%
Midland County (Romney) Michigan 101%
Wayne County (Obama) Michigan 101%
Obama 4 Romney 20

Walthall County (Romney) Mississippi 109%
Issaquena County (Obama) Mississippi 107%
Lincoln County (Romney) Mississippi 103%
Amite County (Romney) Mississippi 101%
Obama 1 Romney 3

Ray County (Romney) Missouri 101%
Obama 0 Romney 1

Petroleum County (Romney) Montana 108%
Carter County (Romney) Montana 103%
Obama 0 Romney 2

Loup County (Romney) Nebraska 110%
Wheeler County (Romney) Nebraska 107%
Kimball County (Romney) Nebraska 106%
Thurston County (Obama) Nebraska 102%
Hooker County (Romney) Nebraska 101%
Keya Paha County (Romney) Nebraska 101%
Thomas County (Romney) Nebraska 101%
Obama 1 Romney 6

Harding County (Romney) New Mexico 133%
Mora County (Obama) New Mexico 110%
Catron County (Romney) New Mexico 103%
Los Alamos County (Obama) New Mexico 102%
De Baca County (Romney) New Mexico 102%
Obama 2 Romney 3

Hamilton County (Romney) New York 122%
Obama 0 Romney 1

Clay County (Romney) North Carolina 103%
Yancey County (Romney) North Carolina 101%
Obama 0 Romney 2

Hanson County (Romney) South Dakota 163%
Campbell County (Romney) South Dakota 105%
Union County (Romney) South Dakota 105%
Potter County (Romney) South Dakota 102%
Harding County (Romney) South Dakota 101%
Obama 0 Romney 5

Brooks County (Obama) Texas 123%
Kenedy County (Romney) Texas 116%
Terrell County (Romney) Texas 111%
McMullen County (Romney) Texas 109%
Irion County (Romney) Texas 107%
Jim Hogg County (Obama) Texas 105%
Culberson County (Obama) Texas 104%
Presidio County (Obama) Texas 102%
Polk County (Romney) Texas 101%
Obama 4 Romney 5

Mingo County (Romney) West Virginia 108%
Lincoln County (Romney) West Virginia 107%
McDowell County (Romney) West Virginia 103%
Obama 0 Romney 3

Grand total. Romney won 107 and Obama won 32
I'm one off but I think I've made my point

[mmmjv]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

I agree about the voter ID. I mean, what's the big deal? I can't count how many times I have to show my ID.

The big deal is they are not demanding photo ID's to protect the vote. They are doing it to suppress the vote among Democrats. That's why we have 8 hour lines, but only in Democratic areas. It's why they are not taking any other actions to "protect the vote" because those measures wouldn't suppress the vote

[mmmjv]

How many places still have those machines that don't leave a paper trail thus making it impossible to do a recount? Are the Republicans fixing that? How about ballot boxes where you can drop in more than one ballot at a time? Anything being done about them?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

I have no issue requiring voter ID. Who are these people that manage to live their lives without an ID?

Many, but there are other problems too.

The state of Alabama is about to shut down all but 4 of its DMVs. Huntsville,Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery.

There are going to be days where there are thousands of people in line, losing entire days pay just to get a piece of laminated paper.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by mmmjv

The big deal is they are not demanding photo ID's to protect the vote. They are doing it to suppress the vote among Democrats. That's why we have 8 hour lines, but only in Democratic areas. It's why they are not taking any other actions to "protect the vote" because those measures wouldn't suppress the vote

Voting locations are set up at the county level. You are having lines because the county isn't spending enough money to open an adaquit number of polling stations. Most urban counties are run by democrats and most rural counties are run by conservatives. You are blaiming the wrong people.

It has nothing to do republicans.

[biscuitmom]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

As stated before, this is because registrars either cant or wont do their jobs. You have to manually remove dead people and people who move from the voter rolls.

I would like to remind you that Republicans control Michigan(which had the most counties on the list)

As the niece of a long-time (Republican) county elections administrator in a very Red county, I know for a fact that the number of registered voters and the number of so-called eligible voters will NEVER match at any given point in time.
People move in, move out, die, change names, turn 18 (actually 17 yrs, 10 months here in TX) and register to vote for the first time, life goes on. But I agree the biggest problem is the lag in removing deceased persons. It takes a month to receive the deceased notice, up to a month to verify and manually enter it, then another month for the entry to take effect. If all goes well, that's a 3-month lag. In the meantime, persons who turn 17 yrs 10 months have no idea nor reason they should register right then so they're not added to the rolls but they would be counted as age-eligible voters.
All that can create a considerable gap.

I'd be more concerned if the numbers ever matched.

ONLY 141 counties in the entire US have a discrepancy? Wow, something's wrong there, the number should be way higher.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Voting locations are set up at the county level. You are having lines because the county isn't spending enough money to open an adaquit number of polling stations. Most urban counties are run by democrats and most rural counties are run by conservatives. You are blaiming the wrong people.

It has nothing to do republicans.

This is untrue(or at least misleading)
The board of elections handles polling places( that is state not local)


Many large cities are in counties controlled by republicans. Atlanta was one up until last year.

Further more, While the specific location in and of itself is up to the county, the state board of elections hands qualifications for locations.