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Old 09-25-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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This is why the industry won't implode (sorry, flat-Earthers):
LOL.... The source for this prediction is people from the solar industry.

FYI, do you see that precipitous drop after 2008 in your graph? That's because of the Chinese dumping product on the market below costs.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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LOL.... The source for this prediction is people from the solar industry.

FYI, do you see that precipitous drop after 2008 in your graph? That's because of the Chinese dumping product on the market below costs.
You are backing a loser on this one Coalman. There is enough art coming to cut the cost of PV solar to 1/4 of what it is now...maybe more. And a lot may enable significant increase in efficiency...the best area to improve. There are also almost certain to be some compromise on the phase down of the rebates. I still think we need some better solution to the storage problem but some of the recent technology results indicate that is coming along.

I would agree the base capabiltiy problem is still laying there but another half or so of the PV costs will start to enable the use of different cost models. You enable higher op costs to meet the base need as the PV solar costs get lower. I would also think rather minor changes in the solar panel mounting may let it get deeper into the peak periood also allowing the economics to move.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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With the guv throwing all this (our) money at solar, you have to wonder what emerging tech is crowded out?
The guv is the ultimate flat earther.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:39 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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With the guv throwing all this (our) money at solar, you have to wonder what emerging tech is crowded out?
The guv is the ultimate flat earther.
Energy research ain't cheap, and the govt is throwing money at solar, geothermal, biomass, wind, nuclear, and clean coal.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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Energy research ain't cheap, and the govt is throwing money at solar, geothermal, biomass, wind, nuclear, and clean coal.
Oh okay lol
Funny how the price goes up when the govt starts throwing money at things.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:52 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Oh okay lol
Funny how the price goes up when the govt starts throwing money at things.
Price has gone up on what?
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Price has gone up on what?
Did you forget already?
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Energy research ain't cheap, and the govt is throwing money at solar, geothermal, biomass, wind, nuclear, and clean coal.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Did you forget already?
Lol... I see. You don't understand. So why doesn't the private sector invest more in R&D across all fields?
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Old 09-25-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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The tax credit for business's will drop from 30% to 10% and residential installations will drop from 30% to 0%. Without those subsidies the industry is toast.
I guess that's what you'd expect someone to say whose handle is thecoalman. Good luck proving your objectivity man.
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Old 09-25-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Lol... I see. You don't understand. So why doesn't the private sector invest more in R&D across all fields?
"More"?

what does that mean. If someone saw a way to make a profit they would do it in a heart beat. the feds need to subsidize the industry, essentially keeping it on life support, proving the technology is not yet as marketable as they would like.

When the feds "invest" 500 million in companies like Solyndra, who apparently was a manufacturer, they ignore research and hope for progress.

I'd go for solar, just not viable, practical right now. The industry selling panels appears to be like any othet business with a complex labrynth of details and contract legalese that benefits the company rather than the consumer.

You'd better have a new roof put on before installing solar panels and check with your fire dept, insurance company and look at how tall your neighbor's trees are along the east to west path of the sun. then be in a state with rules favorable to solar users.
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