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Old 08-31-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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Wow. Extremists who believe in an invisible man do not fully understand the textual account of the invisible man's teachings?

These people are in for a sad existence when the rapture rolls around - can you imagine spending the rest of your life with Nick Cage flying your around, while middle-class suburban Texans ascend to a place where country music is sang by angels? Take that, 72 virgins......
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Old 08-31-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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Bottom line few Muslims have read the Quran which must be read in ancient Arabic a near impossible task for most Arab speaking people
Fewer western people have read it
I have twice all of it
It's not about peace and brotherly love
A question ...

Did you read in Arabic or a translation?

If a translation ... they have as many problems with translations as do Christians.

El Nox
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Old 08-31-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Only 15% of Muslims worldwide speak Arabic.

The Quran is supposed to be recited in Arabic only. Majority of Muslims just recite the verses like parrots, not understanding the meaning behind it.
Majority of Muslims like don't recite, no different than the majority of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.

And then there's the interpretation and version thing.
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Old 08-31-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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Foot soldiers of any religious extremist group have a very poor understanding of the religion they are supposedly fighting for. Instead they rely on the perverted teachings of some and can't critically assess what they are being told.
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Old 08-31-2015, 05:49 PM
 
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Foot soldiers of any religious extremist group have a very poor understanding of the religion they are supposedly fighting for. Instead they rely on the perverted teachings of some and can't critically assess what they are being told.
In Islam's case, its founder Muhammad himself was a terrorist.
Sina's Challenge
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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Only 15% of Muslims worldwide speak Arabic.

The Quran is supposed to be recited in Arabic only. Majority of Muslims just recite the verses like parrots, not understanding the meaning behind it.
That being the case that rather undermines the basic argument against Muslims.
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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In Islam's case, its founder Muhammad himself was a terrorist.
Sina's Challenge
I don't need to point out that isn't a reliable source, do I?
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It seems to be accepted doctrine that Muslims not fluent in Arabic should nonetheless learn to recite the Koran in Arabic, making the noises as best they can without knowing what those noises mean.
Khalid Zaheer: Quran: reading without understanding


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The question arises that whether a person will attain this virtue, by only reciting it with understanding, or does he also obtain the benefits if he recites without understanding?

Sayyidna Abdullah ibn Ma'sood, Radi-Allahu anhu narrates that Rasulullah said, 'That person who recites one letter from the Kitabullah, he will get one reward, and one is multiplied by ten.' He further went on to say, 'I do not say that Alif, Laam, Meem is one letter, but instead alif is one letter, laam is one letter and meem is one letter.' (Tirmidhi)

If we ponder over this Hadith, we will find that there is no condition that the reciter will only get Thawab (reward) if he recites the Qur'an with understanding.
I am not aware of any similar practice among Christians or Jews. If someone is not fluent in Hebrew or Greek they would be expected to use a translation in their native tongue so that they can comprehend the words. An illiterate believer could learn the essential verses from spoken sermons, or even get a copy of the spoken Bible from 'books on tape.'
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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It seems to be accepted doctrine that Muslims not fluent in Arabic should nonetheless learn to recite the Koran in Arabic, making the noises as best they can without knowing what those noises mean.
Khalid Zaheer: Quran: reading without understanding




I am not aware of any similar practice among Christians or Jews. If someone is not fluent in Hebrew or Greek they would be expected to use a translation in their native tongue so that they can comprehend the words. An illiterate believer could learn the essential verses from spoken sermons, or even get a copy of the spoken Bible from 'books on tape.'
Aren't traditional services, both Jewish and Catholic, conducted in Hebrew and Latin?
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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That being the case that rather undermines the basic argument against Muslims.
The Left always claims they have Muslim friends that drink and sleep around with women, so not all Muslim are religious. And their Muslim friends are just as Muslim as anyone else.

Here we have Muslims who are engaging in vice, cannot recite Quran, and with the same argument are also...........Muslims.

The Left cant have their halal cake and eat it too.

In summary, a Muslim is one that claims to be a Muslim, whether religious or not. It is quite common for Muslims to engage in sex and alcohol before conducting terrorist activities.

Hookers and hookahs: Bungling Iranian bombers pictured partying with prostitutes before botched Bangkok attack | Daily Mail Online
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