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Old 09-01-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Originally Posted by Grsz11 View Post
She is violating her oath of office and now is in contempt of court.
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Originally Posted by HeyJude514 View Post
So it's your belief that no one in that county has the right to get married? Because that's effectively what she has decided. What gives her that right?

Maybe, maybe not. If the KY statutes (and I don't feel like looking, one of you guys can) says that clerks may issue marriage licenses and not shall issue, and she's not issuing to anybody there may not be any violation of her oath of office or any contempt of Court.

I could use a MD example: The State allows County Treasurers to issue license plate renewals. They don't have to and some don't. May issue v. Shall issue.

 
Old 09-01-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Then she needs to be impeached, not held in contempt.
Or fined or jailed since she is ignoring the court's orders. The court has ordered her to resume performing her sworn duties.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You are the bigot. An anti-Christian bigot. We have seen the hateful tactics of the homo-fascist bullies groups, which you clearly support, and might even be a direct participant in.

And she still has a job because she is an elected official. The only person who can fire her is her constituents. And don't count on that.

You cannot be bigoted against a behavior or an activity, by the way. That is just not what a bigot is. Just FYI.
Well if you and your religion wouldn't have been so bigoted against homosexuals in the first place then none of this would have been an issue now would it? By the way, being against Christian bigotry does not make one a bigot. That reasoning has been tried before. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 07:34 PM
 
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Maybe, maybe not. If the KY statutes (and I don't feel like looking, one of you guys can) says that clerks may issue marriage licenses and not shall issue, and she's not issuing to anybody there may not be any violation of her oath of office or any contempt of Court.

I could use a MD example: The State allows County Treasurers to issue license plate renewals. They don't have to and some don't. May issue v. Shall issue.

"will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality"

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176
 
Old 09-01-2015, 07:39 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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"will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality"

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176
That's the Oath, what does the KY Constitution and associated legislation list as the required duties?
 
Old 09-01-2015, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Maybe, maybe not. If the KY statutes (and I don't feel like looking, one of you guys can) says that clerks may issue marriage licenses and not shall issue, and she's not issuing to anybody there may not be any violation of her oath of office or any contempt of Court.

I could use a MD example: The State allows County Treasurers to issue license plate renewals. They don't have to and some don't. May issue v. Shall issue.
KY county clerks job responsibilities include issuing marriage licenses. It is listed under DUTIES of elecets officials page 53.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf

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The duties of the county clerk fall into the general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court:
issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging
voter rolls, conducting election duties, and conducting tax duties.
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The county clerk issues marriage licenses (KRS 402.080) and files and records all marriage
certificates (KRS 402.220 and 402.230). Military discharges may also be recorded in the county
clerk’s office (KRS 422.090). On or before the 10th day of each month, the county clerk reports
to the state registrar of vital statistics all marriage licenses issued and all marriage certificates
returned (KRS 213.116). Each county clerk must furnish each applicant for a marriage license
with a copy of a marriage manual to be prepared and printed by the Human Resources
Coordinating Commission of Kentucky (KRS 402.270).
 
Old 09-01-2015, 08:11 PM
 
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"will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality"

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=21176
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
That's the Oath, what does the KY Constitution and associated legislation list as the required duties?
Didn't the Jewish Carpenter have something fairly pointed to say on the concept of oaths, anyway?

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Originally Posted by This fellow called Matthew, chapter 5
34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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They didn't. They ruled. As they should do.


Actually, the people ruled when the Constitution was ratified that all legislative powers would be vested in a Congress of the United States.

The Court doesn`t get to write laws and they don`t get to unwrite laws.

Calling it something else doesn`t make it something else and it doesn`t undo what the people did in making the Court a creation of the Constitution that is constrained by it.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Because you're not a Constitutional scholar and don't understand the Constitution, nor do you understand that society evolves (although some people may not).


The Constitution is written in simple language because the writers wanted non-scholars to understand it.

Society may have evolved, but people still have the innate tendency to enslave one another whenever the opportunity comes along.

It is this need to oppress others through the functions of government that created the need for our Constitution and its limits on the state`s authority.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 10:19 PM
 
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Well if you and your religion wouldn't have been so bigoted against homosexuals in the first place then none of this would have been an issue now would it? By the way, being against Christian bigotry does not make one a bigot. That reasoning has been tried before. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.
You obviously do not know what a bigot actually is. Let's examine that together, shall we?

From Merriam Webster's Dictionary:
Bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
As you can see, to associate or not associate with certain behavior or activities is not bigotry, it is just a choice to do or not something.

As I am sure you know very well, Christians such as Kim Davis or the owners of Memories Pizza have been happy to serve homosexuals in during the ordinary course of business and did so regularly.

Clearly, these Christians were not discriminating against homosexuals because of their sexual orientation - as they happily serve these people on a routine basis for other reasons - they are opting out of associating themselves with a religiously offensive ceremony - an activity - which like it or not is something that is very different.

So if a person is generally antagonistic towards black or white people because of their skin color, or towards Christians because of their religious beliefs, that person is a bigot. And that applies to anyone who harbors those attitudes, with nobody being exempt based on their skin color, or their religious beliefs, or their political inclinations, just to name a few.

And some of the most obvious examples of bigots practicing actual bigotry include the homo-fascists and the remarkably large number of Anti-Christian bigots on the left, such as those people who conspired together across state lines to terrorize the owners of Memories Pizza, threaten their lives, threaten to burn down their store, make harassing phone calls and other threats, and ruin her store's reputation online, ultimately resulting in the store being shut down. And all that not for something she actually did, but for suggesting a hypothetical course of action - catering pizza for a homosexual wedding - which it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever truly desire her to do.

But certainly neither Kim Davis or the owners of Memories Pizza qualify. And you will be hard pressed to find very many other Christians that do, either.

Now that you know what a bigot actually is, if you improperly attempt to smear anyone in this way again, don't be surprised if you get called out for those misrepresentations. And you will not be able to claim you did not know.
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