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The Supremes pulled a switcheroo....
They ruled that a marriage contract was a right - but not the unnatural acts involved.
If the married couple stays chaste and celibate, they're not in violation of KY law.
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Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.
- - - Amendment 1, Kentucky Constitution.
Kentucky Revised Statutes
510.100 Sodomy in the fourth degree.
(1) A person is guilty of sodomy in the fourth degree when he engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another person of the same sex.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of KRS 510.020, consent of the other person shall not be a defense under this section, nor shall lack of consent of the other person be an element of this offense.
(3) Sodomy in the fourth degree is a Class A misdemeanor.
Effective: January 1, 1975
History: Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 90, effective January 1, 1975
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A license to marry does not grant them the right to engage in a misdemeanor.
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.
- - - Amendment 1, Kentucky Constitution.
Kentucky Revised Statutes
510.100 Sodomy in the fourth degree.
(1) A person is guilty of sodomy in the fourth degree when he engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another person of the same sex.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of KRS 510.020, consent of the other person shall not be a defense under this section, nor shall lack of consent of the other person be an element of this offense.
(3) Sodomy in the fourth degree is a Class A misdemeanor.
Effective: January 1, 1975
History: Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 90, effective January 1, 1975
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A license to marry does not grant them the right to engage in a misdemeanor... it plainly states consent has nothing to do with it.
A marriage contract only merges property rights for the benefit of progeny - which homosexual couples do not generate. And if they engage in crimes against nature, they're in violation of the law.
No Supreme court ruled against sodomy or crimes against nature.
So you agree that this clerk should be able to deny people their Right to a marriage license based on her religious beliefs, right?
Ok, well, I have a question for you, and since the people who'd be most likely to support this clerk would be Conservatives, its a really good question.
Let's say you have a county clerk, or a sheriff, or some other issuing authority, who was a Quaker. Quakers are pacifists, they strongly oppose violence. Some even don't believe in violent self defense.
So say you have a sheriff refuse to issue Concealed Carry permits based on his strongly held religious beliefs...... Would that be ok? Why or why not? And if you think it's somehow different, please explain that as well.
well... she was clerk before the SCOTUS changed her job description without her consent.
that's a bit different than someone going into a job knowing what the job is, beforehand isn't it?
It's one thing for a man to "love" another man.
It's a crime against nature for them to copulate.
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UNNATURAL OFFENSE - The infamous crime against nature; i.e., sodomy or buggery.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.1131
CRIMEN INNOMINATUM /krayman anomaneytam/. The nameless crime; the crime against nature; sodomy or buggery.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., P. 372
CRIME AGAINST NATURE. Deviate sexual intercourse per os or per anum between human beings who are not husband and wife and any form of sexual intercourse with an animal.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., P.371
BUGGERY. A carnal copulation against nature; a man or a woman with a brute beast, a man with a man, or man unnaturally with a woman. This term is often used interchangeably with "sodomy."
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p. 194
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Can government really issue a license to commit a crime against nature?
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Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.
- - - Amendment 1, Kentucky Constitution.
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Lawrence V texas nullifies all anti sodomy laws nationwide, and Obergfell V Hodges nullified all SSM bans nationwide.
Let me correct you a bit. She is a registered democrat who was elected to be Clerk of Courts.
I keep seeing the fact that she is a democrat being touted as some kind of salient point. Who cares which party this nutjob claims? It's only those who view politics as a team sport who care about such things. Democrat or Republican, this woman is wrong, period. As a Democrat, I don't find it difficult at all to say.
So you agree that this clerk should be able to deny people their Right to a marriage license based on her religious beliefs, right?
Ok, well, I have a question for you, and since the people who'd be most likely to support this clerk would be Conservatives, its a really good question.
Let's say you have a county clerk, or a sheriff, or some other issuing authority, who was a Quaker. Quakers are pacifists, they strongly oppose violence. Some even don't believe in violent self defense.
So say you have a sheriff refuse to issue Concealed Carry permits based on his strongly held religious beliefs...... Would that be ok? Why or why not? And if you think it's somehow different, please explain that as well.
I like how no one has actually answered the question. Come on conservative! You are always droning on about how gay marriage will lead to bestiality and all sorts of hypotheticals, so why not answer the question? so...
If a Muslim refused to give liquor licenses, would it be okay? If someone refused to give concealed carry, would it be okay? If someone's sincere religious belief told them to discriminate against blacks, would it be okay? Against Muslims?
Or, as I suspect is the case, is you religious convictions the only ones that matter? Are they the only ones you will work to "protect"?
well... she was clerk before the SCOTUS changed her job description without her consent.
that's a bit different than someone going into a job knowing what the job is, beforehand isn't it?
No, her job description is still the same. Issue marriage licenses. It did't say "issue marriage licenses to those that you personally feel should have one".
Lawrence V texas nullifies all anti sodomy laws nationwide, and Obergfell V Hodges nullified all SSM bans nationwide.
Thanks for playing.
Well, apparently it didn't nullify misdemeanors, only felonies.
Try again.
But still - sodomy is a crime against nature... just a petty crime.
And a contract for marriage is still a merger of property rights for the benefit of progeny of the union - which gays can't quite yet do.
So it may be a "right" to engage in a useless contract, but hey, this is America...
well... she was clerk before the SCOTUS changed her job description without her consent.
that's a bit different than someone going into a job knowing what the job is, beforehand isn't it?
What if the sheriff in the OP was recently converted? What if he converted to Buddhism and wouldn't issue it? What if he converted to Islam and wouldn't issue it? Is that still okay?
It does not matter what circumstances change, you still have to do your job! If you don't like the new law, resign. If your beliefs are that important to you, money should not matter, right?
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