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Old 09-04-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by deb100 View Post
He was never closer than 100 yards, and too far away for his camera to pick up anything that was said.
He was certainly in a position to determine if the guy had a knife.

 
Old 09-04-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: NYC
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If a cop shoots a person with a kitchen knife from that distance, we have a problem.

If he has a machete coming at the cop from that distance, I have no problem the police shoots him.

We can't justify the police being judge and jury out on the field.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Originally Posted by jambo101 View Post
He was certainly in a position to determine if the guy had a knife.
Another video has surfaced, which shows the guy holding a knife …

But, really … Do we want to go to a system of trial*by*cell*phone*video, or should we take all of the evidence into account … ???
 
Old 09-04-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by notmeofficer View Post
Now... some more of the rest of the real story
I wonder whether the op will retract his assertions and fake title

Flores... who had stated he was going to" die today" attacked one deputy with a knife.. the deputy used a protective shield or would have been stabbed. Flores tried to escape using several vehicles including the radio car... unsuccessfully. Witnesses unrelated to the incident heard Flores state to the deputies would have to kill him as he tried to reneter the house where he had assaulted the woman and child. Witnesses were questioning why the deputies weren't shooting him immediately after being attacked
Second video better quality is out there

The rush to judgement crowd and even more so the avowed police haters that frequent CD won't be satisfied because the real story NEVER fits their agenda..hiding behind a question mark is grossly inept at best.. evil at the worst

More to come...

BS, you have entered the realm of made up BS because you have no other way to pretend this was anything other than a execution.

The cops will not be able to produce a video showing a threat when they repeatedly shot the man, but they will muddy the waters hoping the public lose interest.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah View Post
Indeed....from both sides.

Had the oil changed on the car today and while waiting, there was a story on the TV about difficulties in police recruitment. Granted, it was Fox News......but there seemed to be a point to it.

Who would want to go into a career where they are constantly second guessed by the outside world and politicians seem so ready to throw them under the bus? Who would want to be in that world when it seems to they have to expend so much energy defending against an opposing force.....and that isn't even the population they are in existence to fight? Who in their right mind would go into that job?

As the phrase goes....."the beatings won't stop until morale improves".
And that last sentence is the key to the issue.

I don't see any attempt by "the police" to problem solve the issue of a growing number of Americans -- of all races -- who are now afraid of the police, don't trust the police, and who no longer see the police (to one extent or another) to be "the good guys". Instead, when something happens that the police don't like, they dig in their heels and continue to do more of the same, often intensified.

As a principal, I had to sometimes stop the whole administrative team, step back, and say that we needed to look at something from other perspectives.

When our school system got beat up enough over its "no tolerance" policy and the heavy-handed "hearing office", they finally stepped back and began to work with the community to develop a more fair-minded policy that the community accepted. Unfortunately, can you guess what had to happen before the system stepped back and took a deep breath? 2 student suicides over having to go to the "hearing office".

If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you always got.

A perfect example of this is police illegally telling people that they can't film an incident; in some cases by people standing on their own property or even own doorstep, filming something that is happening in a public street. And who is actually breaking the law by doing that? The police. And then they want the public to just accept it.

It's time for some reasonable voices in police departments to step back and say, "Whoa. What we're doing isn't working. People mistrust us more and more. How do we have to change?"
 
Old 09-04-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So we should have justice by Utube video. No wander this nation is going down the tube ad the new SAT scores seem to just indicate that.
You Tube justice seems to be as "fair" as some police justice. And that's the problem.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by Year2525 View Post
You mean like the people working on Hillarys server? Come on, just as valid. When the loudest complainers get what they want, and make no mistake about it, they don't want better policing, they want less policing you'll see what the real agenda was all along.
Hillary's email server is a valid topic, just not in a thread about police executions. Your desperation is showing.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
And that last sentence is the key to the issue.

I don't see any attempt by "the police" to problem solve the issue of a growing number of Americans -- of all races -- who are now afraid of the police, don't trust the police, and who no longer see the police (to one extent or another) to be "the good guys". Instead, when something happens that the police don't like, they dig in their heels and continue to do more of the same, often intensified.

As a principal, I had to sometimes stop the whole administrative team, step back, and say that we needed to look at something from other perspectives.

When our school system got beat up enough over its "no tolerance" policy and the heavy-handed "hearing office", they finally stepped back and began to work with the community to develop a more fair-minded policy that the community accepted. Unfortunately, can you guess what had to happen before the system stepped back and took a deep breath? 2 student suicides over having to go to the "hearing office".

If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you always got.

A perfect example of this is police illegally telling people that they can't film an incident; in some cases by people standing on their own property or even own doorstep, filming something that is happening in a public street. And who is actually breaking the law by doing that? The police. And then they want the public to just accept it.

It's time for some reasonable voices in police departments to step back and say, "Whoa. What we're doing isn't working. People mistrust us more and more. How do we have to change?"
I think that the situation could be improved by toning down the sensational hysterical media hype every time there is a tragic encounter between an officer and a suspect ...
 
Old 09-04-2015, 01:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by evilcart View Post
BS, you have entered the realm of made up BS because you have no other way to pretend this was anything other than a execution.

The cops will not be able to produce a video showing a threat when they repeatedly shot the man, but they will muddy the waters hoping the public lose interest.
The guy had a knife. The cops told him several times to drop it. Who are you to say whether they felt threatened or not?

Had he simply followed commands, he'd be alive. But like more dumass criminals, he thought he was tougher than a cop with a gun.

Also, you do realize this guy had a previous arrest for assaulting a policed officer? You don't think the cops were aware of this?
 
Old 09-04-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by arleigh View Post
All the more reason to have security cams on your home and car.
The more there are, the more the shoe is on the other foot.
I had an incident that the camera verified my claim that the signal failed to recognize my vehicle several cycles for making a turn at mid night no less, against a stubborn red . A hidden cop lit up and pulled me over and issued a ticket because I had finally went through the dead light.
i won the case .
Cameras can work for you .
This is exactly why so many of those "crazy car cam" videos on Youtube are from Russia. People over there were getting so tired of fraudulent vehicle claims that they started to put dashcams in their cars. Video can be quite compelling.
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