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Old 09-02-2015, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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With the announcement by Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) that she will support the Iran deal, President Obama now has the 34 Senate votes needed to override a veto. Similar to with Obamacare, parliamentary trickery has been deployed to get the Iran deal enacted.

Obama seals Iran deal win as Senate Democrats find 34 votes
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Because the Obama administration didn't consider it a treaty, ratification wasn't dependent on two-thirds approval in the Senate. Instead, Republicans and Democrats agreed on a process that essentially allowed the pact to stand if it gained the support of just one-third of lawmakers in either chamber, since two-thirds majorities in both would be needed to override a veto of the disapproval resolution.
But it clearly is a treaty.

Obamacare was similarly forced through in 2010 with parliamentary trickery and zero Republican support. The result was that the GOP gained 63 seats in Nov 2010 to take over the US House, and then gained 9 Senate seats in 2014 to complete control of the US Congress.

At least the ACA had majority support, if not bipartisan support, when passed in 2010. The Iran deal barely gets to 34% support. It's widely regarded as a joke and a mistake, even among some leading Democrats.

What is Pres. Obama thinking? Is he trying to create the 50 year GOP dynasty that Karl Rove tried and failed to do? If I wanted to hand over power to the GOP for the foreseeable future, I would do exactly as Pres. Obama has done.
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Old 09-02-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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With the announcement by Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) that she will support the Iran deal, President Obama now has the 34 Senate votes needed to override a veto. Similar to with Obamacare, parliamentary trickery has been deployed to get the Iran deal enacted.

Obama seals Iran deal win as Senate Democrats find 34 votes


But it clearly is a treaty.

Obamacare was similarly forced through in 2010 with parliamentary trickery and zero Republican support. The result was that the GOP gained 63 seats in Nov 2010 to take over the US House, and then gained 9 Senate seats in 2014 to complete control of the US Congress.

At least the ACA had majority support, if not bipartisan support, when passed in 2010. The Iran deal barely gets to 34% support. It's widely regarded as a joke and a mistake, even among some leading Democrats.

What is Pres. Obama thinking? Is he trying to create the 50 year GOP dynasty that Karl Rove tried and failed to do? If I wanted to hand over power to the GOP for the foreseeable future, I would do exactly as Pres. Obama has done.
He has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

They rule by decree and tolerate no criticism.

They also destroy their supporters when their façade of power and control falls away.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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What is Pres. Obama thinking?
Iranian born Valerie Jarrett is doing the thinking.
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Old 09-03-2015, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I think I beat the NYT to the punch:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/op...ht-region&_r=1



The NYT of course has a different interpretation than I would, but nonetheless agrees that

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The deal will become the “Obamacare of foreign policy,” Nicholas Burns, a Harvard professor and former under secretary of state, told me. Yes, it will.
We know what happened as a result of Obamacare being rammed through with zero bipartisan input or support. A few months after it was signed into law the blue dog coalition became the no dog coalition. The GOP won 63 house seats and took over the US House, and then in 2014 took over the Senate as well.

The lunacy of allowing Iran self-inspection is going to be a major issue in 2016, and the ramming-through factor is even worse this time with only 34 Democratic Senators supporting this deal.
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Old 09-03-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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He has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

They rule by decree and tolerate no criticism.

They also destroy their supporters when their façade of power and control falls away.
Trump?
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:30 PM
 
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With the announcement by Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) that she will support the Iran deal, President Obama now has the 34 Senate votes needed to override a veto. Similar to with Obamacare, parliamentary trickery has been deployed to get the Iran deal enacted.

Obama seals Iran deal win as Senate Democrats find 34 votes


But it clearly is a treaty.

Obamacare was similarly forced through in 2010 with parliamentary trickery and zero Republican support. The result was that the GOP gained 63 seats in Nov 2010 to take over the US House, and then gained 9 Senate seats in 2014 to complete control of the US Congress.

At least the ACA had majority support, if not bipartisan support, when passed in 2010. The Iran deal barely gets to 34% support. It's widely regarded as a joke and a mistake, even among some leading Democrats.

What is Pres. Obama thinking? Is he trying to create the 50 year GOP dynasty that Karl Rove tried and failed to do? If I wanted to hand over power to the GOP for the foreseeable future, I would do exactly as Pres. Obama has done.
It's Obama's fault that he's consistently outmaneuvered the GOP over the last 7 years using the same political rules that have been a part of national politics since forever?

Face it...you guys overestimated the power of the GOP to stymie Obama's efforts after taking the congressional majority back. Blame your feckless Republican leadership for their inability to stop the Obama agenda. This Iran vote won't be the last GOP defeat either. There's more where this one came from.

The Republican gains in Congress unleashed Obama and made him less willing to work with Republicans given his enhanced position through the veto pen. Repubs should've seen this coming from a mile away.
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It's Obama's fault that he's consistently outmaneuvered the GOP over the last 7 years using the same political rules that have been a part of national politics since forever?

Face it...you guys overestimated the power of the GOP to stymie Obama's efforts after taking the congressional majority back. Blame your feckless Republican leadership for their inability to stop the Obama agenda. This Iran vote won't be the last GOP defeat either. There's more where this one came from.

The Republican gains in Congress unleashed Obama and made him less willing to work with Republicans given his enhanced position through the veto pen. Repubs should've seen this coming from a mile away.
Interesting post and I would agree that Obama has outmaneuvered his opposition on many counts. He got away with Fast and Furious, using the IRS to target conservatives, etc. He won the battle to rewrite the ACA (King vs. Burwell) even though article 1 section 1 of the Constitution puts the power to write legislation in the hands of Congress. He got his DACA (amnesty for illegal aliens) after he said numerous times that the Constitution did not give him the power to do so.

The SCOTUS said that his NLRB appointments were unconstitutional, and the NLRB's reply was basically for the SCOTUS to send over their armed officers and enforce the ruling.
NLRB ratifies actions of unconstitutional board | TheHill

Yes he has won on many counts, but as he has admitted, taken a "good old fashioned shellacking" on others. He did lose the US House in 2010. Federal spending was cut in 3 of 4 years since then, contrary to his wishes. He lost the Senate in 2014. He is going to be the lamest of lame ducks for the last 2 years of his presidency.
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Old 09-04-2015, 06:51 PM
 
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Interesting post and I would agree that Obama has outmaneuvered his opposition on many counts. He got away with Fast and Furious, using the IRS to target conservatives, etc. He won the battle to rewrite the ACA (King vs. Burwell) even though article 1 section 1 of the Constitution puts the power to write legislation in the hands of Congress. He got his DACA (amnesty for illegal aliens) after he said numerous times that the Constitution did not give him the power to do so.

The SCOTUS said that his NLRB appointments were unconstitutional, and the NLRB's reply was basically for the SCOTUS to send over their armed officers and enforce the ruling.
NLRB ratifies actions of unconstitutional board | TheHill

Yes he has won on many counts, but as he has admitted, taken a "good old fashioned shellacking" on others. He did lose the US House in 2010. Federal spending was cut in 3 of 4 years since then, contrary to his wishes. He lost the Senate in 2014. He is going to be the lamest of lame ducks for the last 2 years of his presidency.
If he was gonna be this big lame duck, it would've happened already. It hasn't.

In fact, he's beaten the Repubs worse since losing the House and Senate. He's had his way on pretty much everything.

And now with the Iran deal, he's proven Boehner and McConnell to be as feckless as ever. Reid and Pelosi seemingly have more power than when they ran their respective chambers.

Face it...Obama owns the Repubs.
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Old 09-04-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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If he was gonna be this big lame duck, it would've happened already. It hasn't.

In fact, he's beaten the Repubs worse since losing the House and Senate. He's had his way on pretty much everything.

And now with the Iran deal, he's proven Boehner and McConnell to be as feckless as ever. Reid and Pelosi seemingly have more power than when they ran their respective chambers.

Face it...Obama owns the Repubs.
Desert Detroit sounds about right now that Obama make cities like that an easier target for Iran. It's not about Dem vs Rep..it's reality that we will all face. Iran hates us (that includes you and me). What part of that don't you get? You really think Isreal is the only target? Iran see us as the Great Satan. They chant Death to America. That's like ignoring the check engine light until reality kicks in with the car breaking down on the side of the road while you're still debating Ford vs Chevy. After ignoring the check engine light it doesn't matter which car you're in if you're in denial of reality of what is happening.
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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Desert Detroit sounds about right now that Obama make cities like that an easier target for Iran. It's not about Dem vs Rep..it's reality that we will all face. Iran hates us (that includes you and me). What part of that don't you get? You really think Isreal is the only target? Iran see us as the Great Satan. They chant Death to America. That's like ignoring the check engine light until reality kicks in with the car breaking down on the side of the road while you're still debating Ford vs Chevy. After ignoring the check engine light it doesn't matter which car you're in if you're in denial of reality of what is happening.
If I were Iranian, I'd think we were the Great Satan too. We deserve it.

But I don't fear Iran and i don't live in whatever city you're talking about.

How Iran feels about Israel is none of my concern.
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