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Old 09-03-2015, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Dubya ousted Assad? Be did enough terrible things without utilizing revisionist history to give him some more.
No he was just a trendsetter. Not that I think he intended it.
He and his fat cat cronies just wanted to make a bunch of $$$ off of exploiting Iraq. Boy did they get more than they bargained for.

 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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No it actually all started with conservative Dubya and the misguided, failed mess he made in Iraq, that actually happened because of the incompetence of Clinton's political appointee heading the CIA, George Tenet.
There. I fixed it for you.
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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No he was just a trendsetter. Not that I think he intended it.
He and his fat cat cronies just wanted to make a bunch of $$$ off of exploiting Iraq. Boy did they get more than they bargained for.
So because dubya made oustong foreign leaders trendy Obama has no ownership of the situation in syria?
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:23 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Dubya ousted Assad? Be did enough terrible things without utilizing revisionist history to give him some more.
At least he made an effort to improve things.
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:27 PM
 
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I tend to agree that gw bkew it in iraq. We did not however need to unseat assad because of iraq. The two are unrelated.
Agreed. The policy of sending weapons to the people that became ISIS (which, incidentally, was the big secret op that was happening in Libya when Benghazi happened) to unseat Assad was a terrible mistake. Assad is the leader Syria needs. Saddam Hussein was the leader that Iraq needed. These are not cultures or a religion that is compatible with democracy. They need iron-fisted rulers to keep their baser instincts suppressed. Bush and Obama both made the mistake of drinking the Koolaid that everyone around the world is basically the same. With every head sawed off and ancient relic destroyed, we see proof that isn't the case.

I don't think Europe can take these migrants for very long. Americans think of Europeans as sissies, but most European countries have active right-wing parties and organizations that make the US's right-wing look like a troop of girl scouts. These right-wingers will become violent against the migrants and eventually the government. The average European doesn't want these people coming in either. They will bring down their governments and elect parties like the Golden Dawn and Jobbik. I don't think the center right and left parties realize the peril of ignoring the sentiment of the populace on this issue.
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:29 PM
 
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At least he made an effort to improve things.
By blowing **** up? Or by attempting to oust a stable leader?
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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So because dubya made oustong foreign leaders trendy Obama has no ownership of the situation in syria?
Congress voted in favor of our military involvement in Syria; therefore our country has part ownership of the situation in Syria. Convenient as it would be to blame it all on one person...
 
Old 09-03-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Why aren't any rich Arab Gulf Nations helping the Syrians, just a question???
 
Old 09-03-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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The parents of this poor toddler are returning to their home town in Syria to bury the boy and his brother (who drowned in the same incident). If they're refugees how are they going right back into the thick of where they escaped from?

Because the truth is all these "refugees" aren't running from war. They're migrants looking for greener pastures (i.e. A socialist welfare state that will keep them housed, clothed, and fed so that they can reproduce like rabbits and spread their philosophy of hate).

Look at the footage of these "refugees". 85% Of them are young men. They sure as hell ain't running from war. They're running to get their handouts and bring the rest of their clan over to leech off sad-sack bleeding-heart lib euros.

The solution? Women and young children will be accepted. They will be confined to refugee camps and will remain there as refugees of war until they can return home. Everyone else needs to turn back at the border or get mowed down. Go fight for your country, cowards.
 
Old 09-04-2015, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Edinburgh,Scotland
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David Cameron vows to review asylum policy as pressure grows | Daily Mail Online

Cameron blinks.man of straw.one day of media pressure and caves in.pathetic

MAX HASTINGS on the migrant crisis in Europe | Daily Mail Online

This is what the bleeding hearts should read.
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