Dead Syrian three year old boy picture sparks refugee furor. (leader, world)
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Isn't that what many of our ancestors did? Come to America for opportunity?
I don't see how that is relevant to anything.
The reality is that all the refugees arriving in Europe have found safe haven. That might have been in Turkey, it might be in Greece, in Italy or in Hungary. Once they decide that these countries are not where they want to be they are no longer refugees. They are economic migrants and, like any other migrant, there are rules and laws they need to follow to enter other countries.
And let us be clear about who is a refugee and who is not. In 2014, fully 55% of asylum applications in the EU were rejected because the demander was not a bona-fide refugee. There are a great many who are abusing refugee status for potential economic gain. And that is grossly unfair to those who are genuine refugees.
They want to go to Germany and Germany allows them to come in. Hungary is BSing and creating an excuse, Victor Orban is a nobody. Trapping those in, it's not like the refugees want to stay in Hungary. Ironically Hungary is making these "unwanted" refugees stay in it's own country.
Regardless of what Germany says to the media, they have also put pressure on Hungary to control their borders, or to follow the basic rules that refugees must apply for asylum in the first country that they enter, something all EU nations are typically bound by.
So Germany is rolling out the welcome mat but at the same time asking Hungary and Italy to do exactly what they have have not been willing to do themselves. Basically Germany gets good PR but they arent suicidal either.
Regardless of what Germany says to the media, they have also put pressure on Hungary to control their borders, or to follow the basic rules that refugees must apply for asylum in the first country that they enter, something all EU nations are typically bound by.
So Germany is rolling out the welcome mat but at the same time asking Hungary and Italy to do exactly what they have have not been willing to do themselves. Basically Germany gets good PR but they arent suicidal either.
EU law requires these 'refugees' to register in the first EU country they enter. The 'refugees' don't want to register in Hungary and Germany is aiding and abetting them in breaking the law.
EU law requires these 'refugees' to register in the first EU country they enter. The 'refugees' don't want to register in Hungary and Germany is aiding and abetting them in breaking the law.
Its interesting that for the longest time Germany was openly complaining about other nations not enforcing control over their borders, now Merkels poll numbers drop and suddenly any and all refugees and migrants are welcome.....this year.
There would be no issue with this, it would be largely a German issue except for Berlin and Paris throwing around their weight in Brussels, pressuring all EU nations to accept minimum quotas as determined by EU bureaucrats and several other nations have basically told Germany to shove it.
Since theyve set the precedent of acting unilaterally when it became politically expedient for them, why shouldnt other nations be able to do the same.
EU law requires these 'refugees' to register in the first EU country they enter. The 'refugees' don't want to register in Hungary and Germany is aiding and abetting them in breaking the law.
I would not be surprised if Italy and Hungary come up with a token registration process where migrants are speedily registered in minutes, then encouraged to go to Germany. Greece does not need to worry about it as they are officially exempt the rule.
According to CNN this morning, the flood gates have only been open for 48 hours and senior German officials are already directly stating that they need to be closed again. Yet, for weeks they have been giving the direct impression that all are welcome. Talk about mixed messages.
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There would be no issue with this, it would be largely a German issue except for Berlin and Paris throwing around their weight in Brussels, pressuring all EU nations to accept minimum quotas as determined by EU bureaucrats and several other nations have basically told Germany to shove it.
And France has apparently de facto stated that they are not going to allow quotas to be imposed on them, yet they want to impose quotas on others. In addition, the EU burearacrats would be determining who is, or is not a 'refugee'.
As several countries have made it clear that they will not accept quotas and that additional numbers that they "voluntarily" accept will be very token, perhaps that best solution is to say "no" to everybody:
- legitimate refugees will not be given permanent asylum and cannot apply to bring their families. Instead, they, as individuals, are just given temporary protection year by year. Once things get better at home (and even relatively better), the work permits are not renewed and the benefits stop.
Its interesting that for the longest time Germany was openly complaining about other nations not enforcing control over their borders, now Merkels poll numbers drop and suddenly any and all refugees and migrants are welcome.....this year.
There would be no issue with this, it would be largely a German issue except for Berlin and Paris throwing around their weight in Brussels, pressuring all EU nations to accept minimum quotas as determined by EU bureaucrats and several other nations have basically told Germany to shove it.
Since theyve set the precedent of acting unilaterally when it became politically expedient for them, why shouldnt other nations be able to do the same.
I am active on a couple of UK message boards and the overall tone is hostile to accepting more 'refugees'. Merkel is giving the anti-EU campaign in the UK a huge boost by her political games.
I would not be surprised if Italy and Hungary come up with a token registration process where migrants are speedily registered in minutes, then encouraged to go to Germany. Greece does not need to worry about it as they are officially exempt the rule.
According to CNN this morning, the flood gates have only been open for 48 hours and senior German officials are already directly stating that they need to be closed again. Yet, for weeks they have been giving the direct impression that all are welcome. Talk about mixed messages.
Meanwhile the Germans and French are throwing around phrases like "permanent and obligatory mechanism" at the EU, an attempt to make it mandatory for all EU nations to accept an arbitrary number of refugees determined by Brussels.
Meanwhile the Germans and French are throwing around phrases like "permanent and obligatory mechanism" at the EU, an attempt to make it mandatory for all EU nations to accept an arbitrary number of refugees determined by Brussels.
I wonder if this demand will break the EU?
Slovakia, Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary seem to be in a formal block rejecting quotas. Though Spain has not rejected quotas per se, they have strongly "hinted" that any quotas imposed on Spain must uhmmm.... "take into consideration the Spanish economy" and therefore need to be very token.
Slovakia, Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary seem to be in a formal block rejecting quotas. Though Spain has not rejected quotas per se, they have strongly "hinted" that any quotas imposed on Spain must uhmmm.... "take into consideration the Spanish economy" and therefore need to be very token.
I think that Merkel may have misjudged public sentiment in the EU on this one.
I think that Merkel may have misjudged public sentiment in the EU on this one.
Me too. The Pope's statements may help, but only a little. Europe is heavily secularized and nogt inclined to listen to religious messages of any sort, let alone over migrants.
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