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Old 09-04-2015, 10:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
There are 3.5 million homeless in America already, how about you open your bleeding heart to them before accepting tens of thousands more from other countries? How callous are you that you'd accept Syrians before helping your neighbors?
If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to say. We are talking about families fleeing from a country of war
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:31 PM
 
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LOL I know what the phrase means but how does it apply to me. I was raised to believe to treat others the way you would want to be treated. If I was in this situation I would hope to god that someone helped me and my family. It's called compassion for your fellow man. I guess it's a concept you don't agree with.
You see, I firmly believe that charity starts at home. We take care of our own and if there is anything left over, then we help others. In other words, on a micro level you aren't going to let your family starve by putting non-family members first. On a macro level, we have millions of underemployed and unemployed American citizens who are suffering. They come first and foremost. We, as a country, are deep in debt. What resources we have need to be going to our own suffering citizens.

I guess that you feel that others come before suffering American citizens.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:40 PM
 
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[quote=BOS2IAD;41089044]You see, I firmly believe that charity starts at home. We take care of our own and if there is anything left over, then we help others. In other words, on a micro level you aren't going to let your family starve by putting non-family members first. On a macro level, we have millions of underemployed and unemployed American citizens who are suffering. They come first and foremost. We, as a country, are deep in debt. What resources we have need to be going to our own suffering citizens.

I guess that you feel that others come before suffering American citizens.[/QUOTE]

Haven't americans always suffered some way or another. If charity starts at home then we wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of children waiting to be adopted. How are we taking care of them...we aren't. But how we can we turn a blind eye and ignore these poor families from other countries who desperately need help. Our country has never been war torn so we have no idea what it's like to live through that.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to say. We are talking about families fleeing from a country of war
We're taliking, in many cases, about people who themselves perpetrated war, and are now on such bad terms with their neighbors and fellow citizens that they must run for their lives. These are the last people America should be accepting as immigrants.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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We're taliking, in many cases, about people who themselves perpetrated war, and are now on such bad terms with their neighbors and fellow citizens that they must run for their lives. These are the last people America should be accepting as immigrants.
And where is this info coming from. Is there a link.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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Haven't americans always suffered some way or another. If charity starts at home then we wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of children waiting to be adopted. How are we taking care of them...we aren't. But how we can we turn a blind eye and ignore these poor families from other countries who desperately need help. Our country has never been war torn so we have no idea what it's like to live through that.

Thank you for making my point! The people in this country who need to be taken care of get pushed aside and "poor families from other countries" are coming first. This is wrong.

Charity starts at home. Period.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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Thank you for making my point! The people in this country who need to be taken care of get pushed aside and "poor families from other countries" are coming first. This is wrong.

Charity starts at home. Period.
But there is no charity at home. We have an epidemic of unwanted children here. Yet nothing is done about it. How many have you adopted, I'm sure none.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:44 PM
 
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But there is no charity at home. We have an epidemic of unwanted children here. Yet nothing is done about it. How many have you adopted, I'm sure none.
I have my own family that comes first. And several relatives in my family have adopted children. If I had wanted a large family, I would have accomplished that through adoption. However, I know my limits when it comes to how many children I could support.

What about you? Have you adopted any children? Has anyone in your family done so?

Again, charity starts at home. If we can't even properly help the millions of Americans who are suffering, then we shouldn't be taking in others as that just puts them ahead of our citizens.

So, are you going to get in touch with the proper government agency and tell them you will take in several of these refugees?
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:18 AM
 
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This situation should be shouldered fairly, and yes the United States should take in refugees.
Among Europe, each EU nation should take several hundred thousands, larger, wealthier nations naturally can take more Syrian and Afghan refugees.
The U.S and Canada have to take a good portion of these people, not some measly 1000 people. In Syria's own region, Saudi Arabia and Gulf States should also take refugees. One country missing in this equation that should also take in refugees is Iran, they support Bashar al-Assad and his bombing entire cities, allowing ISIS to attack rebels and hence take territory(hence making Iran-Assad-ISIS distant allies). Iran happily funds Assad and blasts regional nations like Turkey, which has taken hundreds of thousands of Syrians. Time for the Islamic Republic regime to put it's money where it's mouth is.
Russia included, if Vladimir Putin claims Syrians are fleeing ISIS not the "secular, moderate Assad", then take in those people fleeing ISIS.

So it is not just one country or region that has to take care of these Syrians escaping war, this is a collective responsibility of many nations.
For the past four and a half years, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, as well as Egypt have taken way too many Syrians, as Europe just sat on it's butt and did nothing and fecklessly called on Assad to go and gave only words of support to the rebels.

Well the chickens have come to roost. And yes we the United States are part of the problem also, we have not taken a decent amount of refugees.
Feel free to have them sleep on your couch.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:24 AM
 
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I'll take any and all that can come in my home.

America is my home.
No, your house or apartment is YOUR home.

America is OUR home.

If you want the refugees to come here, take them into YOUR home.

And pay for them with YOUR money.
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