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Old 09-12-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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Christians have always survived and thrived under siege. The Catholic Church will be here in some way or shape for another 2000 years rest assured.
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Old 09-12-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: USA
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Despite the efforts of many Protestants to destroy and discredit it, I guess.
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Old 09-13-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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First, SCOTUS IS supposed to rule on the constitutionality of laws. That is what they did, just like they did in Loving v Virginia.

Second, taxpaying citizens of a county should not be required to travel from county to county to receive state or county services. She has no right to hold the county hostage for her personal religious beliefs.

I don;t care what she thinks, or believes, but when acting as a government official she can not force her beliefs on to others.
Are you saying government officials should actually follow the law and do the job they are hired to do? Not simply ignore or violate laws? I tend to agree.

When you're in charge of the executive branch, your job is to enforce the laws. Not to ignore them, particularly immigration laws. Even moreso your job isn't to help criminals break that law.

When you are the mayor or city council of a city, you have no right to violate federal laws you don't happen to like, or, again, to assist criminals in doing so. Should we jail the mayors and city councils of "sanctuary cities"? Of course we should-when do we start?

Federal drug laws are still the "law of the land". Should the governors and legislatures of WA and CO be in prison?

We have cities and states that still are refusing to comply with the SC decisions on concealed carry and firearms posession. Should the leaders of those cities be in prison? Should sheriffs that refuse to issue CC permits be in jail?

I have no issues with what has happened to Davis. She has a job to do and refuses to do it. When will you join me in pushing to have other government employees that refuse to do theirs?
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Old 09-13-2015, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Are you saying government officials should actually follow the law and do the job they are hired to do? Not simply ignore or violate laws? I tend to agree.

When you're in charge of the executive branch, your job is to enforce the laws. Not to ignore them, particularly immigration laws. Even moreso your job isn't to help criminals break that law.

When you are the mayor or city council of a city, you have no right to violate federal laws you don't happen to like, or, again, to assist criminals in doing so. Should we jail the mayors and city councils of "sanctuary cities"? Of course we should-when do we start?

Federal drug laws are still the "law of the land". Should the governors and legislatures of WA and CO be in prison?

We have cities and states that still are refusing to comply with the SC decisions on concealed carry and firearms posession. Should the leaders of those cities be in prison? Should sheriffs that refuse to issue CC permits be in jail?

I have no issues with what has happened to Davis. She has a job to do and refuses to do it. When will you join me in pushing to have other government employees that refuse to do theirs?
I have stated repeatedly that if one has standing to start a suit. like the 4 couples in the Davis case did, then go for it and sue other officials. They will have to deal with the court and their rulings just like Davis has to.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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When John Oliver's "Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption" qualifies as a tax exempt organization, it shows the need to remove the exemption to all church income not directly provided to charity.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Christians especially right-wing religious conservatives think they are under attack because they can't discriminate against sinners (even though they are supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner) as well as do things in the secular world that is vastly different than their religious views. If their religious views are that important to them, they should not be in that type of a business or industry, plain and simple.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:08 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Christians in this country by and large know nothing about what it's like to be persecuted.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:38 PM
 
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Christians are persecuted all the time in America and Europe. It may not be overt persecution measured in things like violence like in the Middle East, but there's a lot of intellectual persecution where Christian beliefs are ridiculed and mocked, and Christians themselves are seen as dumb just for being Christians.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Christians are persecuted all the time in America and Europe. It may not be overt persecution measured in things like violence like in the Middle East, but there's a lot of intellectual persecution where Christian beliefs are ridiculed and mocked, and Christians themselves are seen as dumb just for being Christians.


It's sometimes called turnabout is fair play.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Christians are persecuted all the time in America and Europe. It may not be overt persecution measured in things like violence like in the Middle East, but there's a lot of intellectual persecution where Christian beliefs are ridiculed and mocked, and Christians themselves are seen as dumb just for being Christians.
In other words, the act of same sex couples having the right to get same sex marriage licenses at local courthouses prove quite well how Christians are being prosecuted?
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