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Persecuted? I don't know but we are not free to exercise our religion freely as we would choose to do so. I worked on a public government job and when I went to work each day I had to leave my religion at home, which is not natural. I found this difficult many times so much that I went to my pastor and asked his advice as to whether or not I should quit the job.
He basically asked me how it would be in America if all Christian people left government jobs. Then he explained to me how I could be a Christian at work without saying anything. God is love and love is something that can be shown. We can be an example of Christian values without saying anything by being kind to others, giving a full days work for a days pay, etc.
You feel that you should be able to exercise your religion at work even if it violates the religious freedom of other religions? That's why our founders separated state and religion.
In the early 60s when I was in a public high school, we were forced to go to a Christmas assembly and sing Christmas carols. A friend of mine who was Jewish could either participate or miss a day of school. I had hoped we had moved beyond this. Guess I was wrong. Freedom of religion is ok I guess, if you are Christian.
Christians try to impose their beliefs on everyone else and then when they don't get their way, boo hoo, they are persecuted.
Your point is so true. For instance, Oklahoma Attorney General is still fighting the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruling requiring the Ten Commandments monument be removed from the state capitol grounds. Pruitt argues that the June 30 ruling is hostile to religion and therefore violates the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. He thinks the ruling prohibits manifestations of faith from the public square and creates hostility toward religion. Of course, Pruitt would become hostile, if the Satanists demanded their monument be erected on state capitol property.
A lady is in jail because she refuses to submit ti the Democrats partys hatred of Christians and you ask if Christians are being persecuted?
The clerk in Kentucky had four choices:
Obey the law and issue marriage licenses.
Allow her subordinates to issue marriage licenses.
Resign from her job.
Refuse to do all of the above and go to jail.
She has chosen option number four. She walked herself into that cell, closed the door and handed the keys to the guard in a childish tantrum because she wasn't allowed to flaunt the law in favor of her own beliefs.
She is free to leave jail at any point that she chooses by merely agreeing to obey the law or step aside for someone who will. But how can she pretend to be a martyr if she does that?
Your point is so true. For instance, Oklahoma Attorney General is still fighting the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruling requiring the Ten Commandments monument be removed from the state capitol grounds. Pruitt argues that the June 30 ruling is hostile to religion and therefore violates the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. He thinks the ruling prohibits manifestations of faith from the public square and creates hostility toward religion. Of course, Pruitt would become hostile, if the Satanists demanded their monument be erected on state capitol property.
Yep, she is a real Christian. There is a man on death row in Oklahoma slated to be executed soon. Even though there is evidence that he didn't do the crime, she refuses to help him and his appeals are exhausted.
No, the Christians here are losing the control they once enjoyed and they aren't happy about it. So...they attempt to turn the situation around and claim victimization in the vain hopes that it will garner sympathy for their cause. It doesn't work. Not really sure why they keep trying as people see right through it.
Yes, this is correct.
When I was growing up in the 1950s and early 1960s, my small town in western NYS (Palmyra, population about 3,000+ in the village) was all White. I only remember 1 family that was non-Christian -- my dentist and his family, who were Jewish and had to go to Rochester to attend temple. Most people were Christians who attended the 4 churches on the corner -- Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, and Episcopal. Us Catholics were seen as "different", but not persecuted; there were 4 masses every Sunday, and one on the Saturday night before. Other churches (such as the Assembly Of God) were looked on as being really weird, but gain, not persecuted. The few Mormons (although Palmyra was where Joseph Smith founded the religion) didn't even build a church there until the mid-1960s, and again, were looked on as weird, but not persecuted). Note, that it was the members of the 4 (or 5) main churches that were looking down on every other Christian group.
Now, there are a few minorities in Palmyra (4%), but 66% of the people do not affiliate with a church. The Catholic Church is no longer a full-time church; instead of 5 Sunday masses there is 1, and for all other services, Catholics travel to another town.
And, Palmyra is not alone. A major trend in this country, in my opinion, is for people to not affiliate with any church, to say that they are independent thinking Christians with no church affiliations. In other words, they believe in God and Christ, but think of themselves. And this attitude is making church-affiliated Christians very afraid; they may not even realize they are afraid. They have lost their dominance in American culture; this is no longer the day of people like Billy Graham. People who are afraid often either get mean and strike out like a rattlesnake when they are cornered, or they cower. With most Christians, it is mostly the former. How can we get back our dominance? Oh, poor us, everyone is picking on us, and we're supposed to be the ones telling everyone else how to behave.
It's fear that's driving them. Just as it's fear driving some of the Whites in this country in a reassertion of racism.
What is this persecution that some Christians feel? They're not liked by some. That's persecution??? As one former devout Christian friend said to me about the situation, "There's all that sex in the movies," to which I replied, "Well don't watch those movies". "There's all that sex and violence in music." Well, don't listen to it. "You can shop at Wal-Mart on the sabbath." Well, don't do it. "There are people having abortions." You don't have to do it; leave that between those people who do and God; that's His job. "Gay people can now get married!" And before they could only have sex; no one is forcing you to go gay (unless you're a Catholic boy and hang around all too many priests).
Dear devout Christians. You're just no longer in the catbird seat. Others are simply utilizing their freedom of thought. You're not being persecuted. You wanna see persecution -- read what happened to Jesus and his followers. Now, that was persecution.
But, in both cases, the genie is out of the bottle.
The left as the authoritarian law and order party. Funny how the tune has changed now that you people have power. And of course, you act as though you'd ever apply this thinking to others. Your disingenuousness isn't fooling anyone. If this had been a kosher or halal bakery, the ecstatic national lynch mob would never have happened. In fact, if it'd been a couple of African American Baptists, it probably wouldn't have happened either. The homosexual agitators who kicked off the whole thing wouldn't even have made an issue of it.
Well, if "we" have power now, it's based on electoral power, meaning that you've lost your edge in the American electorate. And why? The heavy-handedness with which you previously conducted yourselves. Bullies don't prosper...for long.
1. she is a democrat.
2. the judge that put her in jail is a catholic and is anti-SSM
jjrose -- shame on you...using logic.
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