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Why would someone who believes in nothing but evolution and survival of the fittest sacrifice themselves for anyone else? God is love and they don't believe in that either so they are essentially smart and cunning animals out for themselves.
What am I missing here?
You are missing a basic understanding of evolution.
Why don't you and the other fanatics start your own country. You could name it jesus land, slavery could be legal, stoning or burning people would be legal. And the oppression of women and other undesirable's can finally be gotten rid of like you dream about.
That's already been done. It was called "The United States of America," and slavery, by the way, was abolished because some knew that it was wrong and immoral.
But, you realize, don't you, that slavery existed in the world before the founding of the U.S. and still exists today?
Yes, sinful men did burn people at the stake (Bloody Mary comes to mind — many "reformers" were burned at the stake in England). That was Satan's work. He deceives many, including those who profess to be Christian.
Do you think that if you rid the world of Christians (or any religion) that evil will cease to exist?
It's amazing how the Declaration of Independence can establish that Americans have CREATOR ENDOWED rights, and governments instituted to secure them,
YET claim that there is a SEPARATION between religion and government.
If there is no Creator, nor endowed rights, does that mean there are only government granted "human rights?"
Oh, jolly fun.
So now you claim that Christians own the word "creator"???? Well, you're wrong.
That word was chosen very carefully, so that deists like Jefferson would be comfortable signing the document.
You anti-Christs just love to use that phrase, "How very Christian of you" to mock and ridicule believers. But you never read the Bible, so you wouldn't know about some of the things Christ said to the Pharisees. He didn't mince words. Christ was very intolerant.
Glad you noticed that.
Jesus criticized them because he thought that Pharisees were very religious people who were more concerned about going through scripture with a fine-toothed comb, pulling out laws that everyone should live by, and congratulating themselves because they lived by them better than anyone else. Kind of like certain Christians do today.
"The Founders", meaning that they all agreed on everything that went into the Constitution?
Do you think others, including actual legal scholars, have not also read and studied the Constitution. And the bottom line, they often interpret it differently. You regressives don't have the only legal view of the Constitution. In fact, your time is past.
Well, you so-called "progressives" have the wrong view. Do you not know that it was Woodrow Wilson who coined the term "living constitution?" The Founders intended it to be a document for all time, but they did make provision for amending it. They never used the term "living" in regards to the Constitution.
We interpret the Constitution by studying other documents, such as the Federalist Papers, and other writings of the period, so that we understand (to the best of our ability) the mind of the writers.
I'm surprised that you wouldn't know this, since you claim to be a retired school principal.
Well hey, it the Northwest Ordinance said it, it must be true!
You realize, don't you, that the Northwest Ordinance is considered to be one of our "founding documents?" And it does help us to understand the minds of those who were significant players in the founding of our great nation, which you "progs" are determined to destroy.
That's already been done. It was called "The United States of America," and slavery, by the way, was abolished because some knew that it was wrong and immoral.
I seem to recall something about having to fight a very bloody war first. Abolition was ultimately imposed on one side by the other, by force. Because the folks who practiced slavery found scriptural justification for it in the bible and were willing to die for their interpretation of the bible.
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But, you realize, don't you, that slavery existed in the world before the founding of the U.S. and still exists today?
So what? The issue was whether the US should continue countenancing slavery. Not whether anyone else should.
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Yes, sinful men did burn people at the stake (Bloody Mary comes to mind — many "reformers" were burned at the stake in England). That was Satan's work. He deceives many, including those who profess to be Christian.
So the lesson you should draw is that no matter how well you think you know what scripture is, how many hours a day you pray, how hard you work to conform your life to what you think you hear god saying - you can still be WRONG. And you can still commit WRONG acts. And you can still be responsible for perpetrating EVIL.
Please tell me why your inside line to god is more reliable than the inside line that those responsible for European religious persecution used.
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Do you think that if you rid the world of Christians (or any religion) that evil will cease to exist?
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Where do you thing morality comes from? Mans innate goodness? We sure see that play out everywhere, don't we?
Where do you think it came from? Are you really going to try and tell us there was no 'morality' in the world prior to Jesus? That people in other civilizations were allowed to lie, cheat, steal, and kill with no repercussions?
You realize, don't you, that the Northwest Ordinance is considered to be one of our "founding documents?" And it does help us to understand the minds of those who were significant players in the founding of our great nation, which you "progs" are determined to destroy.
Seems you didn't notice that the Northwest Ordinance doesn't refer to christianity. Much less a particular version of christianity. And that isn't because the people of the time didn't know about non-christian religions, let alone thought that there was only one brand of christianity. If they had meant to declare that christianity was the only religion they were referring to, they would have said so somewhere.
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