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Old 09-12-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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What your failing to state is that Iran would never agree to this agreement if they did not feel that they came out ahead. They are not doing this for love of America or because they want us to feel safe. All of their official statements have backed up their hate America position. I know that there are many good Iranians; I have worked with them in the past - but they don't decide the direction of their Country.
That seems to be a presumption that "get ahead" for Iran is necessarily and solely "get a nuke" rather than more prosaic national requirements like building roads, providing health care, running universities, and such. Oh, and fighting ISIS.
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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A great nation would have got its hostages back in the negotiations.

That we didn't shows that Obama was just along for the ride.

Because it was/is ALL about Iran's nuclear program. As you start adding on secondary requirements or demands things get far more complicated.
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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Because it was/is ALL about Iran's nuclear program. As you start adding on secondary requirements or demands things get far more complicated.
A great nation gets them released.
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Actually, most of the "liberals" I know are at least somewhat disappointed in Mr. Obama.
You make a valid point. Obama could not pivot away from the health care agenda. The problem with the Democrats in 2008 to 2010 was that they couldn't get Obama Care done quietly and quickly. We needed for Obama to have a plan like the National Recovery Act and he had nothing like that. No matter what he did behind the scenes to get the economy rolling, the perception was that he was focused on the wrong problem. Perception is everything. 750,000 lost jobs a month shouldn't have been sidelined.

The current issue of Foreign Affairs focuses on the Obama presidency. Haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If you want people to take you seriously, it would be wise to stop making virtually every post a rant which includes insults. Let's see, who do we all know that does that? Oh yes...North Korea, Iran...Obama, All liberal publications, Harry Reid, Chris Matthews....

I would like to suggest that you learn some discussion skills. Then we will take you more seriously and actually consider the points you are making.
C'mon. Your side has been accusing conservatives of being morons since the beginning of time. Reagan, even!

And NOW you want to make insults out-of-bounds......!?
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I mean, afterall, he made this bold statement that the whole world knows is a complete LIE.

So, WHEN, not IF, Iran develops a nuclear weapon, will you the loyal Obama supporter look back and ask yourself how you could allow yourself to be bamboozled yet again by this wolf in sheep's clothing?
I think this country has been bamboozled since Reagan took office, and I am much more concerned about Pakistan and North Korea having nukes at the moment.

And despite your extreme efforts to promote hate for Obama, those comments says more about you than him.

Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons Program: 5 Things You Need to Know | The National Interest

» Who Gave North Korea Nukes In The First Place? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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A great nation gets them released.
There are a heck of lot of Americans behind foreign bars. A great nation gets "hostages" released...criminals undergoing whatever "due process" a country might have is a lot more complicated. My first Air Force wing commander, John McKone, had been held in Lubyanka prison in 1960 when his RB-47 was shot down by the Soviets. This was at the same time that Gary Powers was imprisoned after his U-2 shootdown. The US made huge efforts to get the RB-47 crew released before the Soviets actually put them on trial; if they had gone to trial, it would have become hugely more difficult.
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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The reason they were not released is because the U.S. wasn't an actual part of the negotiation process.
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Old 09-12-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Because it was/is ALL about Iran's nuclear program. As you start adding on secondary requirements or demands things get far more complicated.
I agree.

In fact that concept of "adding on" issues is one of the reason our Congress works so poorly. A bill can be about one topic, and then they begin adding on things that are not at all related. Let each issue stand and fall on its own.
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Old 09-12-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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C'mon. Your side has been accusing conservatives of being morons since the beginning of time. Reagan, even!

And NOW you want to make insults out-of-bounds......!?
I'm not speaking for "my side". I'm speaking about how to have a conversation. And you don't have a real conversation when all you're doing is slinging insults back and forth.

It's even worse when YOU edit someone's post. Respond if you wish, but don't edit another person's post(s).
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