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Old 01-28-2008, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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This is even more about being less dependent on foreign oil. Imagine the money we'd save, if we had to invade less countries just to secure enough oil to keep up our current lifestyles. If we don't change our behavior, we will pay for it - big time. The current oil prices will seem like bargains in 10 years from now...once India, China and the rest of the world adopt our energy guzzling ways.
A) Our electric comes from Nuclear and Hydro. Not oil

B) As for gas - a lot of our petrol comes from refineries in Texas - from crude in the Gulf of Mexico. Not foreign oil
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Good for the state of CA!
AZ has the same
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:11 PM
 
Location: wrong planet
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A) Our electric comes from Nuclear and Hydro. Not oil

B) As for gas - a lot of our petrol comes from refineries in Texas - from crude in the Gulf of Mexico. Not foreign oil
Every electric bill we get has an energy surcharge on it, due to the oil that must be used to generate electricity. Texas isn't producing oil like it used to either... the US is importing more oil than it did just 10 years ago.

Oil is less a factor in the regional economy than it used to be. Texas remains the country’s biggest oil producer, representing 20 percent of national output, but production has been declining steadily, from 444 million barrels in 2000 to 397 million last year.

The nation’s total oil production peaked at about 10 million barrels of day in 1970 and is now about half that. Recent declines have been most spectacular in Alaska, where production is half what it was a decade ago.

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Old 01-28-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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That wouldn't work up here in the northwest.

To us, the sun is just a rumor.
We need to develop some rain power for you!

Tell you what, we'll send you up the extra electricity from our sun power, and you send down some water.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Every electric bill we get has an energy surcharge on it, due to the oil that must be used to generate electricity. Texas isn't producing oil like it used to either... the US is importing more oil than it did just 10 years ago.

Oil is less a factor in the regional economy than it used to be. Texas remains the country’s biggest oil producer, representing 20 percent of national output, but production has been declining steadily, from 444 million barrels in 2000 to 397 million last year.

The nation’s total oil production peaked at about 10 million barrels of day in 1970 and is now about half that. Recent declines have been most spectacular in Alaska, where production is half what it was a decade ago.
In the west - we don't have such things - we are already using energy other than oil. I'm surprised your region is so slow to adapt to something else
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:46 PM
 
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Well, they did it in MD and they are doing it up here, too!
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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We need to develop some rain power for you!

Tell you what, we'll send you up the extra electricity from our sun power, and you send down some water.
That's a deal. Would you prefer liquid, slush, or solid ice?
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Every electric bill we get has an energy surcharge on it, due to the oil that must be used to generate electricity. Texas isn't producing oil like it used to either... the US is importing more oil than it did just 10 years ago.

Oil is less a factor in the regional economy than it used to be. Texas remains the country’s biggest oil producer, representing 20 percent of national output, but production has been declining steadily, from 444 million barrels in 2000 to 397 million last year.

The nation’s total oil production peaked at about 10 million barrels of day in 1970 and is now about half that. Recent declines have been most spectacular in Alaska, where production is half what it was a decade ago.
Thats an old utility trick to make some money. Typically most municipal utilities retain the right to charge a "energy surcharge" Note I said MUNICIPAL utilities. IEO's (investor owned) like PG&E can change their rates pretty easily not so public Munnis. so they keep the surcharge in their backpocket to help offset unexpected costs......
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:45 PM
 
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Reducing the dependency of foreign oil (and non foreign, don't be so naive)? Cutting down on energy consumption? I understand the nature of liberalism but plz, when you say that these things are good for us all you must speak for yourselves. All of these things, as horrible as I'm sure this will sound to the doe and sheep, are very strenuous to the finances of those who fund and operate the important corporations that keep America going.
George Bush has done a wonderful job of taking Americas resources and putting them into important things like helping to eliminate competitors in the drug and oil market in both Afghanistan and Iraq. You have to realize that this means nothing but good things for the development if our country! People give "Big Oil" and the drug corporations such a bad name in this day and age. It's unbelievable to me. Where does the corporate power lie? Do you not realize that investing in the betterment and wealth of our oil companies is the same as investing in canned foods, tampons, and school books? The largest of our corporations are investors and partial owners of many other unrelated corporations, and those small corporations do the same for the even smaller. If you decapitate the giant that is America what do you think is going to happen?
The Economic stimulus package was indeed the best way to handle the problem we are having in our economy. That, my liberal friends, is recession. The idea is not to spend so you can save as the media would like to twist and warp reality to be whatever is most entertaining or enraging. Last tax season billions of dollars were pumped out of our economy and into our "treasury". Our county is trillions of dollars in debt.... Or "treasury" is not so safe a place to keep billions of dollars. Further, due to the natural cycle of inflation (which a little study would tell you is a scientific phenomenon that has been around since the dawn of time. space=food&nutrients=money) the flow and transaction and growth of economic monies has slowed drastically. This slow and "running low" on our modern day resource will be nothing more than devastation to our country as a whole. What would happen to the bees if we had but one flower? So how do you fix this? You start at the top and the so called "treasury" (treasury=assets for foreign debt collectors) and you recycle it into something a bit more safer and a lot more sensible.
The economic stimulus is an ingenuous way to siphon that unsafe democratically locked money into the pockets of the consumers so that they can pump it back into the oil companies (oil companies=drug companies=canned foods=electricity=growth=American life) where it can actually be used to invest into the other corporations on the market which in turn = growth and a stronger better economy.
Take it any way you want but America was built by your forefathers to become the powerhouse of the world and you are letting them down.
Get you a big CAR, Buy GAS. Smoke CIGARETTES, Go SHOPPING, If you got to POLLUTE a little, but by all means you must CONSUME!
Believe it or not, it is the blood in the veins of this country. Heck, its the blood in the veins of every living organism and all of nature itself. If you do not consume, you will parish and something even bigger and stronger or at least a great deal smarter will come along and take over.
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