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Old 09-13-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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With so many conservative Republican "patriots" willing to overthrow the US government, who needs international terrorist groups? This makes me wonder...the "conservative patriots" in our military might switch sides anytime! I hope our military has stringent checks and keeps an eye on these "patriots".
Right wing reactionaries usually use outside threats as an excuse to seize power.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Forty-three percent of Republicans would support a military coup

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It's not a definitive poll, but I suspect it's not far off the mark: One-Third of Americans Would Be Fine with the Military Taking Over

Just another symptom of the psychosis that's destroying the GOP.

They've become unintentional entertainers. But they are amusing. As the insane often are.

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Old 09-13-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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I think that's basically it. It's about winning -- even if it means suppressing the votes of people who don't vote for them. When they lose, they can't accept the will of the people. They make it their #1 priority to make Mr. Obama a one-term president. Failing that, they try to undermine every action of his. Failing that, they want a coups d'Ă©tat.

You see, the right-wing has never been for democracy.
What conservatives are for is the rule of law, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of that comes before democracy. If we have that and are committed to that, then within those parameters, by all means let there be democracy.

Democracy in as far as it is a tool to take over this country in order to destroy it, or to transform it into yet another socialist horror show, of the sort which we have seen far too many examples around the world over the last 100 years, is not constitutional. Also, it is not dedicated to providing a nation where life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness are the priority. Further, it tends to ultimately not be particularly democratic, either, as it replaces the rule of law with the rule of man, as Barack Obama has been demonstrating for us over his term in office.

We have a constitution that used to guarantee these things, but clearly the Democrats and the left have decided that is no longer relevant and must be disregarded and transformed by executive and judicial decree now. To this, we are not committed, nor do we support it, even if it is dishonestly packaged by the constantly lying left as "democratic". If civil war or a coup is the only alternative to this, then let there be civil war or a coup.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Is Obama President of another country too?

Because here in the USA 1 in 5 people are on Food Stamps and 1 in 3 people in the USA receive some sort of government assistance in order to make it through the month. These levels are unprecedented in US History and represent a 100% increase over what they were before Obama took office.

Employment is now measured as anyone who gets paid for 1 hour/work week.

This is hardly better off.
I don't know what you are talking about with respect to changing how UE is measured. The last time it was changed was 2010, when the BLS raised the measure of long-term unemployed from 2-years to 5-years, before dropping off. That makes the measure worse, not better. Since 2010, UE has fallen.

Regarding complaints about people receiving government benefits, if you want fewer poor people, fight for higher wages. Most of those people on SNAP are working full-time. They just receive starvation wages.

It's ironic that the same people that complain about SNAP recipients stand in the way of a higher minimum wage.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What conservatives are for is the rule of law, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of that comes before democracy. If we have that and are committed to that, then within those parameters, by all means let there be democracy.

Democracy in as far as it is a tool to take over this country in order to destroy it, or to transform it into yet another socialist horror show, of the sort which we have seen far too many examples around the world over the last 100 years, is not constitutional. Also, it is not dedicated to providing a nation where life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness are the priority, and it tends to ultimately not be particularly democratic, either, as it replaces the rule of law with the rule of man, as Barack Obama has been demonstrating for us over his term in office.

We have a constitution that used to guarantee these things, but clearly the Democrats and the left have decided that is no longer relevant and must be disregarded and transformed now. To this, we are not committed, nor do we support it, even if it is dishonestly packaged by the constantly lying left as "democratic". If civil war or a coup is the only alternative to this, then let there be civil war or a coup.
If you were for democracy, as you stated, you wouldn't be for overthrowing a legitimately elected government. The only reason you are for overthrow is because your side can't seem to win presidential elections.

I see no changes to the constitution. Do you think you can cite specific areas of the constitution you think are being violated as opposed to vague statements?
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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If you were for democracy, as you stated, you wouldn't be for overthrowing a legitimately elected government. The only reason you are for overthrow is because your side can't seem to win presidential elections.

I see no changes to the constitution. Do you think you can cite specific areas of the constitution you think are being violated as opposed to vague statements?
The Congress is entrusted with making laws and policies. The executive branch is responsible for implementing and carry out those laws and policies in conformance with the laws. The judicial branch is responsible for ruling on the constitutionality of those laws. Barack Obama took an oath of office to protect and defend the US Constitution, which includes enforcing the laws of the land. He has not been doing that and has been making new laws by decree according to his whim and fancy, and that of his sycophantic followers. And the judiciary has also been issuing its own legislative decrees.

The Senate is charged with approving treaties under the US Constitution. Obama just circumvented that on the Iran deal.

Congress is charged with providing oversight to the executive branch, which the Obama regime has routinely and quite openly refused to cooperate with, and has in fact routinely impeded and obstructed Congress in their duties.

Just to name a few. This is not how a country under the rule of law operates.

Of course leftists will lie and deny everything, because that is what they do. But these are some of the reasons why CONSERVATIVES would be willing to support a civil war or a coup, so the leftists reasons why they support some sort of socialist totalitarian regime are hardly relevant, except to support the points I am making still further.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: *
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What conservatives are for is the rule of law, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of that comes before democracy. If we have that and are committed to that, then within those parameters, by all means let there be democracy.

Democracy in as far as it is a tool to take over this country in order to destroy it, or to transform it into yet another socialist horror show, of the sort which we have seen far too many examples around the world over the last 100 years, is not constitutional. Also, it is not dedicated to providing a nation where life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness are the priority. Further, it tends to ultimately not be particularly democratic, either, as it replaces the rule of law with the rule of man, as Barack Obama has been demonstrating for us over his term in office.

We have a constitution that used to guarantee these things, but clearly the Democrats and the left have decided that is no longer relevant and must be disregarded and transformed by executive and judicial decree now. To this, we are not committed, nor do we support it, even if it is dishonestly packaged by the constantly lying left as "democratic". If civil war or a coup is the only alternative to this, then let there be civil war or a coup.
Personally, I think there are other alternatives besides civil war or a coup.

I'm curious, how serious are you? The first American Civil War did enough harm, what would be accomplished by another? What are the logistics?
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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If you were for democracy, as you stated, you wouldn't be for overthrowing a legitimately elected government. The only reason you are for overthrow is because your side can't seem to win presidential elections.

I see no changes to the constitution. Do you think you can cite specific areas of the constitution you think are being violated as opposed to vague statements?
Where in the world do people get the insane idea we were ever a democracy?

A democracy is four wolves and a lamb democratically voting on what's for dinner.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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Are we better off when Bush was president? Yes we are. That man put our country on life support.
Bush is a mighty low standard to use as a measuring stick. But if you wish to equate Obama to that idiot, then you have proved my point.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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I don't know what you are talking about with respect to changing how UE is measured. .
Nope. It's exactly as I stated. Go read your own link as to what counts as an "employed" person.

Of course I'm sure you won't. That inconvenient fact doesn't fit the narrative.
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