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Yes, I know you believe deep down the thief initiated other peoples use of force. I guess he has some kind of mind-control of other peoples actions. I wonder what initiated the thief's actions, my guess that is, ironically, irrelevant.
His desire to steal. You seem to have this odd idea that a position statement means the one who wrote it believes everyone will live by it. They don't, which is why they are not agaisnt all government.
His desire to steal. You seem to have this odd idea that a position statement means the one who wrote it believes everyone will live by it. They don't, which is why they are not agaisnt all government.
Would you say the police actions would be based upon their own desire to arrest a thief? Basically, thief/police violate the NAP based on x reasons. One is valid, the other isn't. Liberty can be violated with force under certain circumstances.
The NAP position is nonsensical and logically incoherent. This is a guy who has some strong libertarian ideals telling you this.
Last edited by billydaman; 09-16-2015 at 01:38 AM..
Would you say the police actions would be based upon their own desire to arrest a thief?
No, it would be the desire to do their job.
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Basically, thief/police violate the NAP based on x reasons. One is valid, the other isn't. Liberty can be violated with force under certain circumstances.
The NAP position is nonsensical and logically incoherent. This is a guy who has some strong libertarian ideals telling you this.
No one anywhere ever has or ever will deny that force is sometimes used. To say otherwise is you simply making things up to argue against.
No it doesn't. That's like saying that throwing someone in jail for threatening someone violates the first amendment.
What?
The only reason you think it does not break the NAP is because you agree with the action they took, having nothing to do with the fact the police initiated force to arrest the thief.
It's really really simple:
Did the police initiate force in order to arrest the thief?
The answer is clearly, yes, they did, out of the desire to do their job.
Do you arrest the police for thievery once they recoup the stolen property? They do not have a right to that property, as they do not own it. They took property they did not own, by force, from the thief.
The only reason you think it does not break the NAP is because you agree with the action they took, having nothing to do with the fact the police initiated force to arrest the thief.
Its really really simple.
Did the police initiate force to arrest the thief.
The answer is clearly yes.
Nope, they reacted to the theft. A perfectly legitimate reaction.
Nope, they reacted to the theft. A perfectly legitimate reaction.
Did blaming your sibling, after they started it, ever work for you?
BTW: you are discussing the reasonableness of the arrest, not whether or not they initiated force (hint: its irrelevant the reason they initiated force, as quite simply, initiating force is against the NAP). Its indisputable to any one with a basic comprehension of logic and reasonableness that's human beings initiate every action they take. The NAP does not have any caveat that states you can use force, if its reasonable.
Did blaming your sibling, after they started it, ever work for you?
Um, yeah, if they started it.
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BTW: you are discussing the reasonableness of the arrest, not whether or not they initiated force (hint: its irrelevant the reason they initiated force, as quite simply, initiating force is against the NAP). Its indisputable to any one with a basic comprehension of logic and reasonableness thats human beings initiate every action they take.
Nowhere does your making up of positions ever come into play. No one has ever argued there should not be repercussions for violating the rights of others.
That is a position you have simply made up to argue against.
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