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Old 09-16-2015, 10:16 PM
 
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Oh my. The deal is done. Yeh yeh, the Iranian parliament is going through its own process but it is largely theatre. Iran has its own internal BS just like the US does with its own congressional nutjobs. The difference in this case is that only the old hardliners in Iran are against it.

The whole debate about whether or not this deal is done, is over. Well and truly. We can debate its merits for fun if you like, but it won't change the reality.
I've been told for a long time now that the Iraq war was over also.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:17 PM
 
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No, the rationale was terrible. As stated in the cia.gov website the coup was not about communism, it was about economic gain, particularly for the UK. The UK had substantial economic interests in Iran, mainly with oil. Due to issues between the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), and Iran the British wanted to oust Mosaddegh.
Mossadegh the Iranian President Who Changed the World | Guardian Liberty Voice
Reversal in Iran
CIA admits role in 1953 Iranian coup | World news | The Guardian

It is the job of the Iranian people to choose their own government, not the U.S.

The Islamic Revolution in 1979 was the blow back from the 1953 coup, that was the cost of the 1953 coup. Have not even mentioned, much less justified, the embassy hostage taking.



All I have stated is that the 1953 coup set in motion a chain of events that eventually led to those religious fundamentalists gaining power in Iran.
So.. You're going to evaluate the actions in 1979 based on something that happened 26 years earlier in 1953? There is scant evidence for that connection, but lets entertain you for a minute.

If you want to argue that it is the job of the Iranian people, and nobody else, to chose their government that's fine. I didn't say I SUPPORT the 1953 coup... I only told you WHY it happened.

But do you support the taking of US hostages in 1979? Yes or No?
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:28 PM
 
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So.. You're going to evaluate the actions in 1979 based on something that happened 26 years earlier in 1953? There is scant evidence for that connection, but lets entertain you for a minute.

If you want to argue that it is the job of the Iranian people, and nobody else, to chose their government that's fine. I didn't say I SUPPORT the 1953 coup... I only told you WHY it happened.

But do you support the taking of US hostages in 1979? Yes or No?
We took over 100,000 Japanese hostages during WWII.

Was the situation in Iran right? All I know is that they finally got our attention.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:30 PM
 
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So.. You're going to evaluate the actions in 1979 based on something that happened 26 years earlier in 1953? There is scant evidence for that connection, but lets entertain you for a minute.

If you want to argue that it is the job of the Iranian people, and nobody else, to chose their government that's fine. I didn't say I SUPPORT the 1953 coup... I only told you WHY it happened.

But do you support the taking of US hostages in 1979? Yes or No?
The reason the coup occurred was due to economic interests, as mentioned earlier.

Aftershocks Of Iran's 1953 Coup Still Felt Around The World, 60 Years Later

The Iranian people overthrew the dictator the U.S. installed, the event in 1953 led to anti-American sentiment in Iran. Part of the reason the embassy hostage crisis occurred was because many Iranians feared another coup by the U.S. following the revolution.

Declassified: Washington

No, it would have been nice if the hostage crisis never happened, but it did.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:34 PM
 
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We took over 100,000 Japanese hostages during WWII.

Was the situation in Iran right? All I know is that they finally got our attention.
Non sequitor.

Canada isn't far, you know that, right?
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:36 PM
 
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Non sequitor.

Canada isn't far, you know that, right?
It seems it always is when we do it eh?
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:39 PM
 
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The reason the coup occurred was due to economic interests, as mentioned earlier.

Aftershocks Of Iran's 1953 Coup Still Felt Around The World, 60 Years Later

The Iranian people overthrew the dictator the U.S. installed, the event in 1953 led to anti-American sentiment in Iran. Part of the reason the embassy hostage crisis occurred was because many Iranians feared another coup by the U.S. following the revolution.

Declassified: Washington

No, it would have been nice if the hostage crisis never happened, but it did.
You mean the "dictator" that gave women in Iran the right to vote?

It "would have been nice" if they hadn't taken US citizens hostages?

LOL!

So it was really OK with you, eh?

Of course it was. After all.. We had it coming, right?
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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It seems it always is when we do it eh?
Apparently you'd rather whine about the US than move somewhere that hasn't committed all of the giant war crimes nutjobs like you think we're guilty of.

Comfy here, are we?
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:45 PM
 
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You mean the "dictator" that gave women in Iran the right to vote?

It "would have been nice" if they hadn't taken US citizens hostages?

LOL!

So it was really OK with you, eh?

Of course it was. After all.. We had it coming, right?
What part about no to your question about whether I supported Iran taking U.S. hostages is not clear. All I stated is why the hostage crisis occurred, not that it was justified for Iran to do so. That event was part of the blow back from the 1953 coup, another reason why it is a bad idea to intervene in affairs that are not the business of the U.S.

The vote was meaningless, as you mention the Shah was a dictator. It is irrelevant to the U.S. whether women in Iran can vote or not, and is certainly not a reason for the U.S. to overthrow a government. If the U.S. did not overthrow Mosaddegh it would be very likely Iran would be friendlier, and the religious fundamentalists would not be in power in Iran.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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Apparently you'd rather whine about the US than move somewhere that hasn't committed all of the giant war crimes nutjobs like you think we're guilty of.

Comfy here, are we?
I refuse to condemn others for the very thing we constantly do.

How many hostages are we holding at Gitmo? That's different right becuase the government tells us they are the bad guys. They provide nothing to prove that but "just trust them", after all, some of them fired back after we invaded their country on false pretenses.
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