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Old 09-16-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh good grief.... The old "We had it coming!" drivel.
I think they over reacted to us killing their democratically elected leader and installing a puppet, not to mention taking over their oil production. Very over sensitive country
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking What? McConnell's a weakling? Owned by big tobacco?

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You're right but it never stopped them before this is just pandering to Israel, what good is it for Iran recognizing Israel, what does that even mean in substance.

Exactly why it's nothing but a cheap political gimmick.

Seems to be the best that McConnell can do.

A real shocker.

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Old 09-16-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It isn't designed to work. It is designed as show. It shows that they are pro-Israel, without actually getting anything from the Iranians or actually helping Israel. It's like voting against a bill that will pass overwhelmingly.

Are you suggesting this is nothing more than cheap political posturing?

NO!

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Old 09-16-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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I think they over reacted to us killing their democratically elected leader and installing a puppet, not to mention taking over their oil production. Very over sensitive country
You left out the Shah, kinder friendlier police force SAVAK Organization of Intelligence and National Security.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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I think they over reacted to us killing their democratically elected leader and installing a puppet, not to mention taking over their oil production. Very over sensitive country
You need to learn history (or not). We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 largely at the behest of the British. THEY controlled the Iranian oil system. And we didn't kill their leader.

The revolution in 1979 was an entirely different and largely unrelated affair. The Mullahs didn't invoke the 1953 coup much. They didn't have to. The Shah was becoming more and more dictatorial, the economy was in a shambles, complex internal political strife was being settled in the streets and radical Islam was on the rise. These factors were enough to foment the revolution.

Stop making excuses for frothing Islamists.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:36 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Yes, Israel is capable of taking care of themselves. That isn't even the point. Their capabilities doesn't mean we should allow them to get the short end of the stick when we are in a position to prevent that.

And there is NO REASON the hostages they are holding could NOT be in the scope of this agreement.

This agreement is utterly without defense.


Israel has not gotten the "short end of the stick". This agreement is about Iran's nuclear program, not Israel.

They are not "hostages", nor should that be part of the agreement. Can you imagine if all 7 negotiating countries starting putting all of their demands on the table?

Those who supported the attempted sabotage of this deal are utterly without defense.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Israel has not gotten the "short end of the stick". This agreement is about Iran's nuclear program, not Israel.

They are not "hostages", nor should that be part of the agreement. Can you imagine if all 7 negotiating countries starting putting all of their demands on the table?

Those who supported the attempted sabotage of this deal are utterly without defense.
Complete nonsense. The 4 Americans the Iranians are holding are being held as bargaining chips. That makes them hostages.

And given Iran's constant, repeating threat to annihilate Israel I'm pretty sure that the prospect of Iranian nukes makes it about Israel. Or do you support these threats?
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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Where were you in 1979? How many times do Iranian Mullahs have to lead public chants of "Death To America" before it means anything to you?

Do you have any idea who we are dealing with?
Why did they do that? It was because we wouldn't quit screwing with them.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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You need to learn history (or not). We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 largely at the behest of the British. THEY controlled the Iranian oil system. And we didn't kill their leader.
So it would be O.K. for Iran to bomb one of our cities as long as another country requests it?

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The revolution in 1979 was an entirely different and largely unrelated affair. The Mullahs didn't invoke the 1953 coup much. They didn't have to. The Shah was becoming more and more dictatorial, the economy was in a shambles, complex internal political strife was being settled in the streets and radical Islam was on the rise. These factors were enough to foment the revolution.

Stop making excuses for frothing Islamists.
Our guy made a mess and Iran was mad. Being mad about another country installing a failed dictator in your country makes one a frothing islamists?
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Complete nonsense. The 4 Americans the Iranians are holding are being held as bargaining chips. That makes them hostages.

And given Iran's constant, repeating threat to annihilate Israel I'm pretty sure that the prospect of Iranian nukes makes it about Israel. Or do you support these threats?


They absolutely should not have been part of it, which is why they weren't. China, Russia, France, Britain and Germany were there to discuss Iran's nuclear program, not Americans in Iran.

I don't agree with any threats. I do agree with the deal, and its a damn good thing its done.
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