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Old 09-25-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Germany and S Korea reserve college for top students. Let's try that here and see what happens.
And that's it? Despite the US having the best public and private universities. Try again.
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Old 09-25-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Wonder Hostess had one of the best DSD systems in the country. They bought Drakes and a couple of other regional bakeries and tried to run them in a system which cut service and customers.

The new Hostess are down to using jobbers and trying to treat them as employees. Jobbers will put the product which sells the most and over time Hostess will lose space to items which get the most turns.
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Old 09-25-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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Interesting read. The notion of unions is antiquated. Public Sector unions are next.

Two years after emerging from bankruptcy, sales volume has returned to the same level. Employee count is down from 19,000 to 1,100.

We as a nation cannot expect to compete globally at the same time we protect workers at, inflated wages, that are simply not needed.



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What people forget is that inflated wages = inflated consumption. Those workers with inflated wages likely spent all that inflated wages on good and services. Now that they do not have those inflated wages, if wages at all, there has been a ripple effect in regards to the loss of their purchasing power in the community. The WHOLE STORY is not simply the ability of the company to maintain sales.....but the ability OF THE COMMUNITY to maintain after the loss of those inflated wage workers.

2/3 of GDP is the result of consumer consumption. Thus, it is much better to have inflated wages at the bottom and middle, instead of the top, because the bottom and middle will spend nearly all of their earnings on consumption, thus stimulating the economy. When the inflated incomes are top heavy.....much of it gets saved or invested and has a less stimulative impact on the economy.

We have many issues economically and a few of the major ones are:

To much inflated income at the top.
To many imports.
To much automation.

All this will eventually hurt the average worker in the US.

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Old 09-25-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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What people forget is that inflated wages = inflated consumption. Those workers with inflated wages likely spent all that inflated wages on good and services. Now that they do not have those inflated wages, if wages at all, there has been a ripple effect in regards to the loss of their purchasing power in the community. The WHOLE STORY is not simply the ability of the company to maintain sales.....but the ability OF THE COMMUNITY to maintain after the loss of those inflated wage workers.

2/3 of GDP is the result of consumer consumption. Thus, it is much better to have inflated wages at the bottom and middle, instead of the top, because the bottom and middle will spend nearly all of their earnings on consumption, thus stimulating the economy. When the inflated incomes are at the top.....much of it gets saved or invested and has a less stimulative impact on the economy.
You can thank the Clinton administration for this. Remember how happy BC was when he announced that all manufacturing will be outsourced/off shored? A consumer based economy never works, especially when there are no/low paying jobs.
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Old 09-25-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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You can thank the Clinton administration for this. Remember how happy BC was when he announced that all manufacturing will be outsourced/off shored? A consumer based economy never works, especially when there are no/low paying jobs.
So you are saying that we should have had a republican president instead....as if party would have made a difference?
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Old 09-25-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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Unions a century ago were primarily concerned with working conditions. Unions today, mostly public-sector, are about pay and protection from poor performance.
Here again we see the claims of unions as a thing not relevant in our modern society, and again the claim that unions offer a kind of ironclad protection that prevents management's ability to run their enterprise. As a long time union steward I can assure you that unionized companies and public service agencies do fire people. They are required by a mutually agreed upon course of remedial action that includes "progressive discipline" and a well documented list of contractual violations of work performance requirements. A contract is not something that is one sided.

My experience with those who were being disciplined to the point of termination was one of representing the employees interest, the corporate HR had the responsibility of providing the supporting documentation regarding the employee's work performance, most of those terminations were for cause and never went to any arbitration process. Workers need protection from bosses who have a negative relationship with some employees, corporations need protection from those who do shoddy work or are disruptive to the daily workings of the enterprise. Pretty simple stuff.

Any reading of truthful labor history will reveal the union movement in America to be a response to the huge pile of labor grief in early day American manufacturing, mining, and agriculture. Was it all about working conditions, certainly not. All of our laws having to do with compensation, including our overtime laws, minimum wage laws, monetary compensation for injured workers, unemployment insurance, coupled with those contractual concessions that brought about retirement pensions, periodic raise structures, pay for performance, and a lot of other measures not addressing the overall conditions of work but moreover, focused on fair compensation agreements.

Again, are unions infallible? No they aren't, not all things in the corporate work world go as they should, union or not...Managers who are incompetent sometimes are kept as they are well connected to the people who can arrange such a retention, and sometimes recalcitrant workers are retained by a union process that can fail. It's simply a human thing.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Unions a century ago were primarily concerned with working conditions. Unions today, mostly public-sector, are about pay and protection from poor performance.
A century ago, similar excuses were being made against unions.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You can thank the Clinton administration for this. Remember how happy BC was when he announced that all manufacturing will be outsourced/off shored? A consumer based economy never works, especially when there are no/low paying jobs.
While you are thanking Clinton adminstration, let me see which previous administration(s) saw growth in manufacturing sector? That might provide you with some clues.

BTW, no need to assume unions are only about labor unions much less manufacturing only. Service industry and even businesses unionize as well.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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And that's it? Despite the US having the best public and private universities. Try again.
It matters not when those universities are cranking out illiterate waifs who can't think.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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And that's it? Despite the US having the best public and private universities. Try again.

No, what we have is the lowest graduation rate and largest student loan debts.
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