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Old 09-30-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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LOL ... are you serious? Those have got to be the stupidest and amateurism disinformation propaganda videos that exist. They prove absolutely nothing and even goes so far as to claim contrails existed with WWII prop planes which is a flat out lie since real contrails are formed from jet engine exhaust. What you see in that video is smoke from gas prop engine exhaust.

If your going to try and debate me then you better find real information and data not some stupid "DEBUNK" video.
well Don, now you just made a fool of yourself

those are CONDENSATION trails from the WW2 bombers...con trails can even happen on the ground level when the conditions are right


what makes you think that is smoke...its at the wing tip...because contrails are not about exaust..they are also about DISTURBING the air movement.. having something moving through the moist or cold air making condensation


guess you think this race car is spreading a chem trail too




here is another

198712medium1gl.jpg Photo by JBfan | Photobucket

 
Old 09-30-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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well Don, now you just made a fool of yourself

those are CONDENSATION trails from the WW2 bombers...con trails can even happen on the ground level when the conditions are right


what makes you think that is smoke...its at the wing tip...because contrails are not about exaust..they are also about DISTURBING the air movement.. having something moving through the moist or cold air making condensation


guess you think this race car is spreading a chem trail too




here is another

198712medium1gl.jpg Photo by JBfan | Photobucket
Who is the fool?

Try wingtip vortices

Wingtip Vortices in Formula One - why are they formed?
 
Old 09-30-2015, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Who is the fool?

Try wingtip vortices

Wingtip Vortices in Formula One - why are they formed?
uhm...

you link totally destroyes any idea of chemtrails or that the conrails on ww2 aircraft was smoke

After the formation of the vortex, the pressure inside it decreases significantly as compared to the ambient pressure. This results in a significant drop in dew point (which was already below the ambient temperature before the formation of the vortex) but along with it, there is an even greater drop in the vertex core temperature, which transforms the water vapour into water droplets and hence we are able to see the vortices trail coming out of the rear endplates.

This phenomenon is more prominent in damp conditions because the relative humidity of atmospheric air is high. As more relative humidity means an increase in partial pressure of water vapour, therefore there is a rise in the local dew point inside the vortex. As there is no change in total pressure and temperature, therefore the vertex core temperature now is easily below the dew point, and hence the water vapour condenses.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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right up there with the moon landing hoax, the 9/11 conspiracy, the military taking over TX, vaccines make your kids autistic, and all the other loonies.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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uhm...

you link totally destroyes any idea of chemtrails or that the conrails on ww2 aircraft was smoke

After the formation of the vortex, the pressure inside it decreases significantly as compared to the ambient pressure. This results in a significant drop in dew point (which was already below the ambient temperature before the formation of the vortex) but along with it, there is an even greater drop in the vertex core temperature, which transforms the water vapour into water droplets and hence we are able to see the vortices trail coming out of the rear endplates.

This phenomenon is more prominent in damp conditions because the relative humidity of atmospheric air is high. As more relative humidity means an increase in partial pressure of water vapour, therefore there is a rise in the local dew point inside the vortex. As there is no change in total pressure and temperature, therefore the vertex core temperature now is easily below the dew point, and hence the water vapour condenses.
A wingtip vortices is not a contrail ... two different things.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 10:35 AM
 
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A wingtip vortices is not a contrail ... two different things.
the wingtip vortex is STILL condensation....


After the formation of the vortex, the pressure inside it decreases significantly as compared to the ambient pressure. This results in a significant drop in dew point (which was already below the ambient temperature before the formation of the vortex) but along with it, there is an even greater drop in the vertex core temperature, which transforms the water vapour into water droplets and hence we are able to see the vortices trail coming out of the rear endplates.

This phenomenon is more prominent in damp conditions because the relative humidity of atmospheric air is high. As more relative humidity means an increase in partial pressure of water vapour, therefore there is a rise in the local dew point inside the vortex. As there is no change in total pressure and temperature, therefore the vertex core temperature now is easily below the dew point, and hence the water vapour condenses.

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The cores of the vortices are sometimes visible because water present in them condenses from gas (vapor) to liquid, and sometimes even freezes, forming ice particles.

Condensation of water vapor in wing tip vortices is most common on aircraft flying at high angles of attack, such as fighter aircraft in high g maneuvers, or airliners taking off and landing on humid days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices

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Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are long, thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1] Like natural clouds, contrails are made of water in the form of a suspension of billions of liquid droplets or ice crystals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail




science is not your strong suit
 
Old 09-30-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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the wingtip vortex is STILL condensation....


After the formation of the vortex, the pressure inside it decreases significantly as compared to the ambient pressure. This results in a significant drop in dew point (which was already below the ambient temperature before the formation of the vortex) but along with it, there is an even greater drop in the vertex core temperature, which transforms the water vapour into water droplets and hence we are able to see the vortices trail coming out of the rear endplates.

This phenomenon is more prominent in damp conditions because the relative humidity of atmospheric air is high. As more relative humidity means an increase in partial pressure of water vapour, therefore there is a rise in the local dew point inside the vortex. As there is no change in total pressure and temperature, therefore the vertex core temperature now is easily below the dew point, and hence the water vapour condenses.

-----------

The cores of the vortices are sometimes visible because water present in them condenses from gas (vapor) to liquid, and sometimes even freezes, forming ice particles.

Condensation of water vapor in wing tip vortices is most common on aircraft flying at high angles of attack, such as fighter aircraft in high g maneuvers, or airliners taking off and landing on humid days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices

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Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are long, thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1] Like natural clouds, contrails are made of water in the form of a suspension of billions of liquid droplets or ice crystals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail




science is not your strong suit
Actually science is one of my strong points. You don't even understand what your "cut and pasting". A contrail is not generated the same way a wingtip vortices is created ... they are not the same thing. And those WW2 photo's of prop aircraft does not show contrails or wingtip vortices ... they show prop engine exhaust smoke.

You might try educating yourself before exposing your ignorance.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Actually science is one of my strong points. You don't even understand what your "cut and pasting". A contrail is not generated the same way a wingtip vortices is created ... they are not the same thing. And those WW2 photo's of prop aircraft does not show contrails or wingtip vortices ... they show prop engine exhaust smoke.

You might try educating yourself before exposing your ignorance.
Here is a little antidote for your ignorance Don.

Contrails were first noticed during high-altitude flights in the 1920's. However, interest in contrails really blossomed during WWII when bombers could be sighted from miles away. In fact, numerous WWII veteran accounts tell of problems to aviation due to massive contrail formations. Planes could not find their targets, and sometimes collided with each other. In 1953, a scientist named H. Appleman published a chart that can be used to determine when a jet airplane would or would not produce a contrail. Contrail Education - Science
 
Old 09-30-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Check out these photos Don, then explain to me why the high flying bombers are producing "smoke", while the ones flying lower are not......

http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/...rldwariibo.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...4&d=1412108962
 
Old 09-30-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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Here is a little antidote for your ignorance Don.

Contrails were first noticed during high-altitude flights in the 1920's. However, interest in contrails really blossomed during WWII when bombers could be sighted from miles away. In fact, numerous WWII veteran accounts tell of problems to aviation due to massive contrail formations. Planes could not find their targets, and sometimes collided with each other. In 1953, a scientist named H. Appleman published a chart that can be used to determine when a jet airplane would or would not produce a contrail. Contrail Education - Science

LOL ...
Who is spraying aerosols? Answer = the government
Who is NASA? Answer = government agency

In other words ... NASA is using propaganda just like many other government agencies ... like the IRS ... like the EPA ... like the Justice Department ... they are all (and more) embroiled in various scandals and they have been proven countless times to lie and deceive the public to keep the truth from being known
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