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Old 09-23-2015, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Just wait untill another terrorist attack takes place because we couldn't stop it because of political correctness. You know, cant take the towel off someones head at the airport to check for a bomb but they'll do a complete search of the next person who doesn't fit any profile at all just to apease the person who has that textbook terrorist look in the name of political correctness.

Can't ask for identification so illegal alians keep pouring over our border and taking our jobs.

Can't detain illegal alians so they are released to do more crimes. Afterall, they have all commited at least one!

When a crime takes place, people are afraid (because they want to be politically correct) to describe the suspect by color, unless of course he is white. Come on now. beard, bald, blue shirt, jeans, 6ft, Um, yep! That's it, If he was black say he is frigin BLACK. Asian? Say asian, Chinese, whatever. Describe the POS so he can get caught. And yes, if white, say he's frigin white. Help the police out before he robs, kills, attacks someone else.

I can go on and on and on. It's redcicules.
There are a number of flaws in your reasoning, and a lot of it isn't based on actual fact.

Number one, there were a number of terrorist attacks in the US that have been committed by white, male citizens. White, male citizens were not profiled after these attacks, but people who fit a certain criteria of looking too "muslim" are profiled because of some Saudi citizens.

Oh, and you're referring to headgear as a "towel" reveals your prejudice.

People describe suspects by color and ethnicity all the time, as do police. The media at times will choose to reveal or NOT reveal the color or ethnicity of a suspect based on whatever agenda they are trying to promote. That's the media, not you, not me, and not the police.

As for not detaining illegal aliens or not asking for identification, I don't think you really know what you're talking about, as anyone can be asked for identification at any time, and if someone commits a crime and is illegal, they will be detained and/or deported. There are slip ups in the justice system, but that happens with all types of criminals, illegal or not. There are rapists and child molesters walking around free - I don't care about their color, I care about their guilt.

All of your given examples have nothing to do with what I was talking about, which is individuals thinking about the words coming out of their mouth and stopping to think, if only for a second, about whether or not what they're about to say is needlessly offensive to someone else. You know, thinking about another person's feelings for once.

 
Old 09-23-2015, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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It also gets into some really weird territory like having to point out that just because someone identifies as the opposite gender; that they are still biologically the sex they were born with.
And why is that? Why do you have to point that out? Why do you need to interject yourself at all?
 
Old 09-24-2015, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Political Correctness is saying something untrue or failing to say what is true because the truth is inconvenient and at odds to what certain cultural progressives have deemed to be acceptable. Accepting these lies lead us down a false path and eventual disaster.

For example, failing to tell the truth about Islam that their book an prophet demand that they kill or subdue the infidel where they find them, and other things that are correct but I cannot even say on this forum without getting banned about Islam as you see what ISIS is doing is following the example of their prophet and allowing them to emigrate to the West is setting us up for enormous problems in the future and possibly forced conversions and death are in our future and kids future in time due to following a path of Political Correctness (in other words, lying or failing to tell the truth).
 
Old 09-24-2015, 01:12 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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How exactly is it destroying this country? Because it's no longer acceptable to call black people offensive names? Because it isn't appropriate to use terms like "towel head" "sand ni---r" "fa--ot" "slanty eyed *****" "tranny" anymore? Somehow people needing to stop and think about the words that come out of their mouths rather than just spew their vile everywhere is somehow destroying the country?

You have the right to run around being offended. THe rest of us have the right to say or think anything we want. Thank goodness for the constitution which forbids the PC crowd from actually making laws enforcing their view of the world. All PC and the progressive movement has done is polarized a once united nation. We now have split into two camps of political thought, the leftist PC camp and the traditionalist conservative one. This line often breaks down in this nation geographically along similar lines of the old civil war boundries. All the PC crowd has done is set a stage for the potential of a second civil war in our future. Those who oppose their ways are dedicated, religious and unwilling to yield. The end result of this kind of division cannot be good. One side must crush the other and that wont likely be peaceful.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 01:56 AM
 
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Because they want free speech with no repercussions.

Simple as that.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The root of political correctness, is that by simply calling someone racist, or sexist, or xenophobic, you instantly place them on the defensive. It doesn't even matter if what they are saying or advocating is actually racist. Thus, charges of racism are useful in silencing critics. And if you make certain things unsayable, then you are basically making certain thoughts unthinkable.


Take for instance the whole immigration debate. The left has made it where, if you oppose what might as well be an open-border immigration policy, you must either be racist, or xenophobic, or hate the poor, etc. If you cast doubts on the practicality of bringing in hundreds of thousands, or millions or Muslims, from terrorism-plagued third-world countries, you are either a racist, a bigot, or a Christian fundamentalist.

If you criticize welfare, and its effects on the "black community"(even when you have good intentions), you are labeled a racist. If you don't agree that women are oppressed, and accept the lie that is the .77 cents on the dollar meme, you are a sexist/misogynist.

Being opposed to abortion, is now a "War on women". Regardless of the fact that more women are opposed to abortion than men.


If you say a child is better off being raised by both parents, it somehow gets interpreted as an attack on "single-mothers". Thus, you are no longer allowed to say things which are obviously true. And more importantly, you are no longer allowed to say things which rightfully should be said, both for the benefit of individuals, and for the benefit of society.


Political correctness is the reason I have come to hate democracy. Democracy only works when basically everyone is "the same". When you have diversity in democracy(even women), you end up with what we have; Political parties who pander to minorities, declaring them as perpetual victims, and promising them special-privileges. While attacking anyone who opposes as racist, sexist, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynistic, etc.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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And why is that? Why do you have to point that out? Why do you need to interject yourself at all?
Because if you try to explain a point without a paragraph of "Of course..." then you spend most the debate deflecting accusations rather than actually debating. Even if you try to do the smart thing by ignoring such accusations then the opponent just says, "Look, he won't even deny these accusations because he knows they are true".

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You have the right to run around being offended. THe rest of us have the right to say or think anything we want. Thank goodness for the constitution which forbids the PC crowd from actually making laws enforcing their view of the world. All PC and the progressive movement has done is polarized a once united nation. We now have split into two camps of political thought, the leftist PC camp and the traditionalist conservative one. This line often breaks down in this nation geographically along similar lines of the old civil war boundries. All the PC crowd has done is set a stage for the potential of a second civil war in our future. Those who oppose their ways are dedicated, religious and unwilling to yield. The end result of this kind of division cannot be good. One side must crush the other and that wont likely be peaceful.
It's not like the Right isn't guilty of this either. The Right has a whole lot of its own share of taboo subjects and needing a disclaimer when discussing certain issues.

I know this because it does occur when you point out the fact that not everyone who joins the military does so for the purest of reasons and that not every combat soldier some pure-hearted warrior for Freedom. I know this because I've had conservatives attack me when I have criticized actions taken by individual soldiers and criticized the romanticism of combat veterans.

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Because they want free speech with no repercussions.

Simple as that.
Because being prosecuted for holding unpopular opinions has never had any negative impact towards the Left:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist
 
Old 09-24-2015, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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How exactly is it destroying this country? Because it's no longer acceptable to call black people offensive names? Because it isn't appropriate to use terms like "towel head" "sand ni---r" "fa--ot" "slanty eyed *****" "tranny" anymore? Somehow people needing to stop and think about the words that come out of their mouths rather than just spew their vile everywhere is somehow destroying the country?

Words are simply placeholders for ideas and by eliminating the use of certain words such as those you mentioned the ideas they represent are hoped to also be eliminated, but that isn`t what really happens.

Unlike words, ideas exist apart from the words that represent them because they are a part of what composes reality, and while you may be able to eliminate the use of certain words, the thoughts they represent will continue to exist.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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You have the right to run around being offended. THe rest of us have the right to say or think anything we want. Thank goodness for the constitution which forbids the PC crowd from actually making laws enforcing their view of the world. All PC and the progressive movement has done is polarized a once united nation. We now have split into two camps of political thought, the leftist PC camp and the traditionalist conservative one. This line often breaks down in this nation geographically along similar lines of the old civil war boundries. All the PC crowd has done is set a stage for the potential of a second civil war in our future. Those who oppose their ways are dedicated, religious and unwilling to yield. The end result of this kind of division cannot be good. One side must crush the other and that wont likely be peaceful.
The nation has never been united, and it is not the PC camp that has polarized it. It is the "traditionalist conservatives" who have wanted things to stay exactly as they always have been that are dividing this country. You've got it backwards. Your camp wants to still be living in the 1950's when certain people "knew their place" and straight, white men were the sole arbiters of truth and liberty.

Which "traditionalist" ideals would you like to see still in effect? Segregated schools? Segregated neighborhoods? The right to call a grown man "boy"? The right to legally beat or rape your wife? How about the denial of "legitimate rape" if a woman is wearing the wrong kind of clothes? Would you like to be able to call your neighbor a ni--er or a fa--ot on the street with no repurcussions? All white juries convicting black men? Illegal divorce? Christianity enforced in public schools? No birth control?

Tell me, what line do you draw? What traditions are the only correct ones, and who made you the ones in charge of making other people silent? Why do you guys get to deny other people their civil rights and proclaim yourselves in the right?

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness weren't only guaranteed to you.
 
Old 09-24-2015, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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Because if you try to explain a point without a paragraph of "Of course..." then you spend most the debate deflecting accusations rather than actually debating. Even if you try to do the smart thing by ignoring such accusations then the opponent just says, "Look, he won't even deny these accusations because he knows they are true"
No. That's not what I asked you.

You said: "It also gets into some really weird territory like having to point out that just because someone identifies as the opposite gender; that they are still biologically the sex they were born with."

And I ask again, why do you have to? Who is making you have to do this?
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