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Old 09-23-2015, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Capitalism is the greatest economic model in human history and is responsible for lifting billions out of poverty. The poorest person on this planet is better off than the poorest person on Earth in the 1600s, around the time capitalism was developed.

That said, it is time for the GOP to recognize that Capitalism and free markets, for all of its benefits, still leaves people behind and to heed the words of Jesus when he said "the poor you will always have with you." (Mark 14:7)

This is why I am voting for John Kasich, he is a man with sound conservative principles, but has consistently acknowledged that our system still leaves people behind and that they need to be helped.
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Bernie Sanders against John Kasich might actually be a good race, but I don't have any faith in the GOP voters when it comes to picking their candidates.
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:55 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Capitalism is the greatest economic model in human history and is responsible for lifting billions out of poverty. The poorest person on this planet is better off than the poorest person on Earth in the 1600s, around the time capitalism was developed.

That said, it is time for the GOP to recognize that Capitalism and free markets, for all of its benefits, still leaves people behind and to heed the words of Jesus when he said "the poor you will always have with you." (Mark 14:7)

This is why I am voting for John Kasich, he is a man with sound conservative principles, but has consistently acknowledged that our system still leaves people behind and that they need to be helped.
100% agree.
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:57 PM
 
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So suddenly the left thinks it's ok to mix religion and politics. Noted.
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:58 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders against John Kasich might actually be a good race, but I don't have any faith in the GOP voters when it comes to picking their candidates.
I'd worry about your comrades in the socialist party, who are virtually certain to nominate Hillary, an unelectable siren who should be in prison.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So suddenly the left thinks it's ok to mix religion and politics. Noted.
Just like the Republican party. Abortion, Gay Marriage , and not having a Muslim President in the White House either!
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Old 09-24-2015, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Capitalism is the greatest economic model in human history and is responsible for lifting billions out of poverty. The poorest person on this planet is better off than the poorest person on Earth in the 1600s, around the time capitalism was developed.

That said, it is time for the GOP to recognize that Capitalism and free markets, for all of its benefits, still leaves people behind and to heed the words of Jesus when he said "the poor you will always have with you." (Mark 14:7)

This is why I am voting for John Kasich, he is a man with sound conservative principles, but has consistently acknowledged that our system still leaves people behind and that they need to be helped.
The problem with liberals/leftists, is that they are completely obsessed with money/materialism, it is sad.

The question is, have humans truly "progressed"? And progressed in what way? They are richer, and they live longer, but so what? Are they happier? What makes a life worth living anyway? What are we here for?


With that said, your estimates are a bit off. People in medieval Europe weren't as poor as you are taught. The per-capita GDP in late-medieval England, was about ~$1824 a year in 2015 dollars($1000 a year in 1990 dollars)

Medieval Britons were richer than modern poor people, study finds | Money | The Guardian

That would make late-Medieval England about as rich as modern Vietnam and Moldova, and richer than India, Pakistan, and nearly fifty other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita

In 1600, the Netherlands had a per-capita GDP of $2,518 per year in 2015 dollars. That is about the same as the Philippines, Honduras, Bolivia, and Palestine. And not far behind Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita


More importantly, the gap between rich and poor was actually quite a bit narrower during the middle-ages than it is today. Yes there were Kings and lords and others who were very wealthy(just as Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are very wealthy). But the vast majority of the population were peasants and members of the church. In effect, about ~90% of the population had nearly the same level of income.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3YDN5gTX0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY


Don't perpetuate the myth.

Why a medieval peasant got more vacation time than you

Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's


Though, I would agree that we are obviously wealthier than we were in the past, and we live longer. The real question is, "Does it matter?"

For instance, we are wealthier and live longer today than we did in 1950, but are we better off today than we were in 1950? Is dying at 60 worse than dying at 70? Or 80? Or 90? or 100? Is dying quickly of infection or disease, worse than dying slowly of cancer or diabetes?


The truth is, money isn't all that important. We tend to think it is important, and would prefer to have more money than less. But there is little evidence that more money, or "more stuff" makes us happier. For instance, our hunter-gatherer ancestors were likely happier than we are today. The Amish are happier than we are. And this is true among many "primitive peoples", across the world.


What seems to make us unhappy when it comes to money, is when other people have more money than us. Or especially, when they earn more than us doing the same work, or for similar work/time spent. "no matter how much [money] we make, we tend to be dissatisfied with our income if our neighbor is making more."

Materialistic People Are Less Happy Than Everyone Else: Science

Conscious Choice: Less is More in Pursuit of Happiness

Why Money Makes You Unhappy | WIRED


You have to be careful about believing everything you are told about the world.

Capitalism and usury, are literally the worst things that ever happened to the world.

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Old 09-24-2015, 04:13 AM
 
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Bernie Sanders against John Kasich might actually be a good race, but I don't have any faith in the GOP voters when it comes to picking their candidates.
Says the person whose party's front runner Hillary has been caught in new lies on the email scandal.

Kasich is my #1 and I would even vote for a Biden before a Huckabee, etc...

However, the Democrats need to brake the voodoo hold that Hillary has on them so they can pick a better candidate.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Says the person whose party's front runner Hillary has been caught in new lies on the email scandal.

Kasich is my #1 and I would even vote for a Biden before a Huckabee, etc...

However, the Democrats need to brake the voodoo hold that Hillary has on them so they can pick a better candidate.
And Hillary was the frontrunner at this time in 2007 too, so what's your point?
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:06 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Capitalism is the greatest economic model in human history and is responsible for lifting billions out of poverty. The poorest person on this planet is better off than the poorest person on Earth in the 1600s, around the time capitalism was developed.

That said, it is time for the GOP to recognize that Capitalism and free markets, for all of its benefits, still leaves people behind and to heed the words of Jesus when he said "the poor you will always have with you." (Mark 14:7)

This is why I am voting for John Kasich, he is a man with sound conservative principles, but has consistently acknowledged that our system still leaves people behind and that they need to be helped.
I like Kasich too. Reasonably sane. Fairly humane. So obviously he doesn't have a snowball's chance.
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