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Old 09-25-2015, 09:40 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Problem, most perps probab;y not imprisoned for using drugs but for committing a crime related to getting money for for drugs, robbery, assault firearm charges.

I support folks being locked up for that. For simply possessing, or consuming, and there is no further proof of another crime other than having drugs on them? Nope.

Propaganda problem is that most imprisoned are non violent. Here the prosecutors offer plea deals to get a quick conviction and reduce felonies to non felonious charges. Proponents then claim all these guys in prison are not felons.

Imprisoning someone for a non-violent offense, or hitting them with a felony, along with other legal problems, such as what you put in your body turns them into criminals.

A distinction needs to be made between drug sellers vs users though the two may overlap. Gangs are selling drugs and the state allows them continue. That should be a starting point.

Prohibition is a failure, and always has been. It creates a huge black market, which creates more criminals and in essence causes more harm to innocent people here and in Latin America, than the actual substances themselves. Not to deviate, but it would be the same, if gun grabbers had their way in trying to get guns banned.

Prisons reform is deperately needed for the entire system not just for drug related imprisonments. Prisons are the center of excellence of crime universities, apart from violating prisoner rights.

I agree. Stiffer sentences for those who have been convicted of a violent crime or causes harm direct harm to another, such as robbery, rape, murder, pedophilia... robbing people of their life savings...
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Won't happen here in the foreseeable future.

Mainly because the drug-war "industry" is too far integrated into the lobbying/influence structure in DC that they'd never allow congress to support any domestic legislation that would put them out of business.

As a result, we'll dump trillions more down the toilet of "the war against drugs" while politicians moan about deficits.
And let's not forget what is probably the most forbidden subject in the US today - the power and influence of the cartels in the US. They would be out of business if legalization ever happened.

It's naïve to think that organizations with so much money and so many resources existing in the US would somehow refrain from buying law enforcement and politicians in order to further their own profits and aims.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Problem, most perps probab;y not imprisoned for using drugs but for committing a crime related to getting money for for drugs, robbery, assault firearm charges.

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Incorrect.

700,000 people were arrested for marijuana last year. 88% of those were for possession only, not distribution or cultivation.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Won't happen here in the foreseeable future.

Mainly because the drug-war "industry" is too far integrated into the lobbying/influence structure in DC that they'd never allow congress to support any domestic legislation that would put them out of business.

As a result, we'll dump trillions more down the toilet of "the war against drugs" while politicians moan about deficits.
Or people like you, who keep re electing the ones that ignore the problem.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Won't happen here in the foreseeable future.

Mainly because the drug-war "industry" is too far integrated into the lobbying/influence structure in DC that they'd never allow congress to support any domestic legislation that would put them out of business.

As a result, we'll dump trillions more down the toilet of "the war against drugs" while politicians moan about deficits.
Maybe you should write to the Drug War Leader in the White House and tell him to stop spending trillions on this wasted war.
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