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Old 10-06-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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What do you think about them owning guns? Register them? Take them away? Have a limit on amount owned etc? Most guns are pretty expensive. You are essentially "buying guns for them."

Would you feel j u st as jealous /angry if you saw then with an expensive gun vs an expensive car? Just as angry as them buying lobster with SNAP? How about compared to cigarettes and lottery tix?

For people who want them to take drug tests, do you also want to know if they spent your money on a gun?
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Old 10-06-2015, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Welfare was meant as a crutch for when people got into trouble but now it is a over burdened wheel chair that people use to roll through life.

If someone is truly in need of public assistance they should not be driving an expensive car, taking vacations and buying other luxury items. Who knows where that fancy car or shiny gun came from, they could have been gifts but they should not be bought with welfare.

The state I live in Mass. has a huge problem with welfare fraud much like many other states do.

What needs to be done is have everyone come back in and re register. I believe it was NY that did that years ago and they removed 20%-25% of fraud from their books saving millions.

I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to own a gun as long as they acquire it legally and handle it responsibly. The same goes for cars, lobster etc...
If they buy a gun using welfare funds that is fraud so against the law.
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Old 10-06-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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What do you think about them owning guns? Register them? Take them away? Have a limit on amount owned etc? Most guns are pretty expensive. You are essentially "buying guns for them."

Would you feel j u st as jealous /angry if you saw then with an expensive gun vs an expensive car? Just as angry as them buying lobster with SNAP? How about compared to cigarettes and lottery tix?

For people who want them to take drug tests, do you also want to know if they spent your money on a gun?
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Old 10-06-2015, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I just think the policy should be structured to encourage people to seek a job than seek to stay not working and plopping out kids every 10 months.
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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What do you think about them owning guns? Register them? Take them away? Have a limit on amount owned etc? Most guns are pretty expensive. You are essentially "buying guns for them."

Would you feel j u st as jealous /angry if you saw then with an expensive gun vs an expensive car? Just as angry as them buying lobster with SNAP? How about compared to cigarettes and lottery tix?

For people who want them to take drug tests, do you also want to know if they spent your money on a gun?
Certainly anyone seeking welfare should not have significant funds or assets. For example if they owned a vehicle valued over X dollars they should be required to sell it and obtain a more modest vehicle, certainly we would not take a car away from them entirely because that could prevent them from working.

Same thing should apply for guns, if someone had a large collection of guns they should be required to sell it off before obtaining welfare benefits with the exception of one rifle, one shotgun and one pistol per adult in the household. You certainly do not want to leave someone defenseless or unable to supplement their diet with game as many poor rural families do. For those on welfare that do not own a gun I would encourage them to go buy one and learn to hunt.


That said I'm not sure how you are going to determine what weapons they own because it would have to be based on the honor system in most states. I'm certainly not going to support implementation of gun registry to prevent welfare recipients from holding assets.
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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Welfare was meant as a crutch for when people got into trouble but now it is a over burdened wheel chair that people use to roll through life.

If someone is truly in need of public assistance they should not be driving an expensive car, taking vacations and buying other luxury items. Who knows where that fancy car or shiny gun came from, they could have been gifts but they should not be bought with welfare.

The state I live in Mass. has a huge problem with welfare fraud much like many other states do.

What needs to be done is have everyone come back in and re register. I believe it was NY that did that years ago and they removed 20%-25% of fraud from their books saving millions.

I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to own a gun as long as they acquire it legally and handle it responsibly. The same goes for cars, lobster etc...
If they buy a gun using welfare funds that is fraud so against the law.
Buy a luxury car with welfare?

LMAO...good lord.
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:45 AM
 
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Buy a luxury car with welfare?

LMAO...good lord.
There was once a thread on here from a woman who was driving a Mercedes and was on welfare. She said they bought it before her husband had lost his job. She said she refused to sell it because she felt it was a better vehicle than lower cost cars and that it would cost her more money to maintain something else of 'lower quality.'

Personally, I believe there are people on welfare who are driving fairly pricey cars. Although, I doubt they bought them after getting on welfare, I don't feel it is an impossibility. I'm sure there are plenty of people receiving welfare while doing under-the-table work and generating pretty decent money. However, I'd also guess this would be a very tiny minority of welfare recipients.
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Old 10-06-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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What do you think about them owning guns? Register them? Take them away? Have a limit on amount owned etc? Most guns are pretty expensive. You are essentially "buying guns for them."

Would you feel j u st as jealous /angry if you saw then with an expensive gun vs an expensive car? Just as angry as them buying lobster with SNAP? How about compared to cigarettes and lottery tix?

For people who want them to take drug tests, do you also want to know if they spent your money on a gun?
It is a matter of continual amazement to me that leftist think they've come up with an absolute crusher of an argument when so often it's simply a meaningless noise. But, you can't expect much when it comes to leftists and race baiters in the area of mental competence.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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Pure and simple-if people on welfare don't want to be subject to drug tests, income verification, asset verifcation, etc, there is a solution.

Don't go on welfare.

It is a voluntary action. Nobody is forcing this on anyone.

There is a difference between those legitimately disabled and those who just don't feel like working. I've known both. Oddly enough, those who were disabled, cancer, spinal cord injuries, etc, have a harder time getting disablity.
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Old 10-07-2015, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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I just think the policy should be structured to encourage people to seek a job than seek to stay not working and plopping out kids every 10 months.
Whenever one of your ilk makes a statement like this, all it proves is how much you don't know about public assistance.
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