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Old 10-01-2015, 05:53 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I want to see something done other than pretend like there is nothing wrong and sticking our heads back in the sand until the next shooting in a week or two. Yes, we need to address mental health in this country head on and do something to start preventing mass shootings.

And arming yourself with as many guns as possible isn't a viable answer.
Is forced institutionalizations of millions of Americans the answer? Because that is the only way to "solve" this problem. What you are driving towards has been done before, unsuccessfully by the way, and has already been found to be unconstitutional.
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Old 10-01-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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This is where you are wrong, I want this entire country to deal with the fact that we have a mental health issue that is deadly. The problem is, we have too many people that like to play politics with this issue or make stupid posts about how their guns didn't kill anyone, therefore there must not be a problem.

When will Americans and politicians deal with this very real problem rather than putting our heads in the sand and pretending like nothing is wrong? I am tired of waiting for others to realize we need to do something now.
everyone has their opinions on what is wrong. the gun grabbers blame the guns, because somehow they jump out of their owners hands and go on a rampage.

but since a gun is an inanimate object, those of us that know better will make humorous statements to drive home that fact, too bad that humor is too sophisticated for you and the gun grabbers.

the reality is that too many people do not take the required responsibility when they get their hands on a firearm. and we dont do enough to deal with the mental illness situation in this country. but anything e do has to be weighed so as to not obstruct the rights of people just because we think they might be mentally ill. if someone has not had their due process, and their case properly adjudicated in a court of law, then they have done nothing to warrant taking away their rights, now have they?

but that doesnt seem to matter to a lot of people. they would rather just eliminate peoples rights under teh constitution because they MIGHT do something bad.
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Old 10-01-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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No one cares. What people care about is legal access to firearms by crazy people, things that rigorous background checks might help thwart.
I'd agree but; there are simply too many guns out there. Tho IF background checks stopped at least 1 mass shooting, I'd def be Ok with that idea.
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Old 10-01-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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If a member of your family had been wiped off the face of the earth today (while attending class)--you know, like your mother, father, spouse, brother, sister, would you still think this is some kind of joke and have a good laugh?
This particular thread has nothing to do with the shootings that occurred today. There are two separate threads addressing that topic. Maybe you should take your fabricated disdain there.
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Hmm- thread was created 1.5 hrs after the Oregon shooting thread, appears to be a feinted rebuttal, responses loaded by rabid gun owners who see in one dimension.

Nahh- can't be related at all.
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This particular thread has nothing to do with the shootings that occurred today. There are two separate threads addressing that topic. Maybe you should take your fabricated disdain there.
Oh it is very real--not fabricated--guaranteed. And I believe the excuse that it "has nothing to do with what happened today" unbelievably disingenuous.

Frankly I find it disgusting.
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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everyone has their opinions on what is wrong. the gun grabbers blame the guns, because somehow they jump out of their owners hands and go on a rampage.

but since a gun is an inanimate object, those of us that know better will make humorous statements to drive home that fact, too bad that humor is too sophisticated for you and the gun grabbers.

the reality is that too many people do not take the required responsibility when they get their hands on a firearm. and we dont do enough to deal with the mental illness situation in this country. but anything e do has to be weighed so as to not obstruct the rights of people just because we think they might be mentally ill. if someone has not had their due process, and their case properly adjudicated in a court of law, then they have done nothing to warrant taking away their rights, now have they?

but that doesnt seem to matter to a lot of people. they would rather just eliminate peoples rights under teh constitution because they MIGHT do something bad.
Easy access to guns by people who should not be allowed to have a gun in their hands to begin with is a serious issue. Addressing the issue of mental health in this country is another thing that we have to deal with head on.

Let me know when you actually want to deal with what is wrong in this country in regards to mass shootings.
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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What I find to be disgusting is the anti gun coalition ignoring the cause of the problem and instead attacking legitimate gun owners after every tragedy...
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Easy access to guns by people who should not be allowed to have a gun in their hands to begin with is a serious issue. Addressing the issue of mental health in this country is another thing that we have to deal with head on.

Let me know when you actually want to deal with what is wrong in this country in regards to mass shootings.
So when are we institutionilizing people against their will?
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Old 10-01-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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What I find to be disgusting is the anti gun coalition ignoring the cause of the problem and instead attacking legitimate gun owners after every tragedy...
What I find disgusting is that some gun owners don't fail to realize that guns ARE an issue and the accessibility of them should be addressed.. It's not like the stats are lying here- our country is awash in gun violence. **knock-knock**- Hello??!

It's not unlike sportsmen that finally realized that it was their responsibility to help conserve and maintain wildlife- not sit idly by and bury their heads in the sand. Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, the RMEF.. All born out of an effort to cure a problem caused by over hunting.

Instead the NRA voraciously denies a problem exists, and we gun owners hold to a very, very one dimensional answer that "guns don't kill"..

Not a very intelligent retort to a national and societal issue.
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