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View Poll Results: Should there be background check for gun purchases/ownership?
Yes 53 63.86%
No 30 36.14%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-05-2015, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
You left some of that AR 15 story out. He couldn't qualify to purchase so she became what is called a straw purchaser, which is itself illegal. It's a federal violation.

If I remember correctly she was tried and convicted for that.

https://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/strawPurchase.pdf

Straw Purchasing | Dontlie.org
Correct but the girl that purchased the gun and gave it to him did may or may not have had any of that information, how does anyone really know the person on the other end of a private sale.

 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:11 AM
 
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Vote & Discuss regarding the gun issue

You do realize, don't you, that we already have background checks? That happens every time a gun is purchased.

As a gun owner, I fully support background checks (we already have them).

Keep in mind that criminals prefer stolen weapons, to avoid a connection between the gun serial number and them.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:13 AM
 
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Many weapons change hands without a background check, you knew that right?

Yes- that is what we call an illegal sale, or a crime.

There is already a gun law to cover that issue.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PDD View Post
For those who have something to hide then background checks are bad.

For those of us with nothing to hide then nothing wrong with background checks.

If you have nothing to hide than permits to purchase are easily obtainable and should be required.

If you have a permit to carry like many do a purchase takes less time than getting your drivers license renewed.

IMO it's only those with questionable backgrounds that are against background checks.
You can make the same case for domestic surveillance by the government.

If you have nothing to hide then you should not reject the government having access to your internet usage ... knowing what websites you visit and what you do and say on the internet.

If you have nothing to hide then you should not reject domestic surveillance by the government on your phone calls, snail mail and package deliveries.

If you have nothing to hide then you should not reject domestic surveillance by the government on your travels by tracking your GPS movement in your car or on foot with your GPS enabled smart phone.

If you have nothing to hide then you should not reject domestic surveillance by the government on your conversations using your own smart phone to record your voice and the voice of people you talk too.

Your okay with all that right?
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:15 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Take a look at this outstanding citizen who recently murdered a beautiful young lady here in Dallas.

You think a background check would have stopped him from getting a gun?

Kristopher Love, Kendra Hatcher: Alleged 'Hitman' Arrested In Murder Of Dallas Dentist : US : Headlines & Global News
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:20 AM
 
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I wonder who voted 'no'
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
You do realize, don't you, that we already have background checks? That happens every time a gun is purchased.

As a gun owner, I fully support background checks (we already have them).

Keep in mind that criminals prefer stolen weapons, to avoid a connection between the gun serial number and them.
Each year F and W confiscates hundreds of weapons from non-citizens, presumably from a family member. They cannot legally own a weapon but it apparently is pretty easy to obtain one. I've never heard of any repercussions besides the govt stealing the weapon.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 06:33 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by Lonerandsad View Post
Vote & Discuss regarding the gun issue
Nj has a background check, requires release of medical records, requires fingerprints to be run by the FBI and on top of that, runs the NICS check before handing a gun over the counter to a purchaser who has gone though a background check. Purchase a pistol? not so fast. Apply for a limited time permit to purchase and go through the same process as required for you firearm id card. Getting a permit to carry in NJ is impossible for the avergae citizen.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation's gun background check is celebrating its 15th anniversary. On Nov. 30, 1998, the FBI began using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, also known as NICS, which was created as a result of the 1993 Brady Act that requires background checks on people buying guns or obtaining them through other means."

With that as the background, Cities in NJ like Newark have an unbrioken string of murders since the 1960s. Of course the murder a month has long sonce been surpassed and is not at an alltime high of 2+ deaths a week.

Firearm regs can only go so far before a point of diminishing return is reached, a point we have long since past. A point that legislators, the bewildered and confused electorate choose to ignore. Their ignorance ensures cities like Newark, et al will continue to pile up record deaths.

gun violence is clustered and predictable. Knowing with high statistical confidence where the next murder will take place and what race will be impacted should be a useful clue as to approach a soiution. Gun violence is downstream of gangs and drugs. hint, hint. Heard a stat that claims if the gang killings were stopped, the US would be the 4th safest nation in polls that tally gun deaths. Don't know if that is true but certainly the elimination of gangs and drug sales would bring up very near the top of any such global polls. More people get killed in Chicago in half a year or less, than in all the 'mass shootings' in the last 30 years

"The NICS system is located at the Bureau's Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) Division in Clarksburg. The system processes more than 10,000 automated checks an hour on its busiest days across 94 million records in FBI criminal databases, which includes the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), Interstate Identification Index (III), and the NICS index of 11 million people who are prohibited from owning firearms. To date, NICS database queries have resulted in 1,065,090 firearm purchase denials, with 88,479 in 2012 alone, according to the FBI. People typically denied for firearm purchases include those with criminal convictions, domestic violence convictions, a drug history, or fugitives.
"The statistics for denials can stand on their own with regards to how well the system works in keeping firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them," said Steve Fischer, NICS spokesman at CJIS. NICS routinely processes more than 80,000 requests a day. The highest volume of background checks usually occurs on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving."

Don't believeanti gun propaganda that America is no longer owning and buying guns.

What was that point we just passed? oh that was the point of diminishing return.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 07:00 AM
 
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In Pa they do. I don't know people keep demanding them when they already have them. I thought Obama was pushing for ending backgrounds checks, anyway? Stopping criminal background checks for employees, its only logical to assume that stopping background checks for gun purchasers would have to follow.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
You left some of that AR 15 story out. He couldn't qualify to purchase so she became what is called a straw purchaser, which is itself illegal. It's a federal violation.

If I remember correctly she was tried and convicted for that.

https://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/strawPurchase.pdf

Straw Purchasing | Dontlie.org

you know I never heard that- maybe that needs to be OUT in the MEDIA- you go to JAIL! that would help
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