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Old 10-07-2015, 11:23 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Doesn't the GOP Congress, that passed the bills to make those tax-cuts permanent, at least share in the blame?
Personally I blame Obama because he signed the law. I feel Obama did it to work with republicans, not get blamed for raising taxes, and to give regular Americans more money. But were those things worth adding $2.7 trillion dollars to our debt? I say hell no.

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Old 10-07-2015, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Thank your congressman and senator. They ultimately have more say on the budget than the president.
 
Old 10-07-2015, 11:45 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush

This isn't coming from some right wing mouth piece.
Income inequality is when the rich acquire more wealth than everyone else.


Obama tried to raise billionaire CEO's tax rates (but the republicans stopped him.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule

Obama tried to give the middle class tax cuts (but republicans stopped him.)
GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News

Obama tried to raise the min wage giving workers more money (but republicans stopped him.)
Republicans block Sanders's minimum wage amendment | TheHill

Obama tried to bring high paying outsourced jobs back to America to give regular Americans more money (but republicans stopped him.)
Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

Obama tried to lower credit card interest rates giving Americans more money (but republicans stopped him.)
GOP Blocks Credit Card Bill, Endorses Skyrocketing Interest Rates | ThinkProgress

Obama tried to give more unemployment benefits (but republicans stopped him.)
Republicans Block Unemployment Extension, Democrats Plan to Try Again (Updated) - The World's Greatest Deliberative Body

ex.ex.


Clearly Obama took major steps to reverse income inequality, from raising billionaires tax rates, bringing high paying jobs back to America, and giving more money to regular Americans (but the republicans stopped him.)

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Old 10-07-2015, 11:55 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Both the republicans and democrats were critical of Bush for his deficit spending, especially during his second term, which was when the democrats took over control of the purse strings. You can find quotes from both Sen. McCain and Rep. Pelosi trashing Bush for spending like a drunken sailor.
Sen. McCain is the only republican I ever heard complain about deficits, the rest of the republicans were saying "deficits don't matter."

Six Years After Cheney Said 'Deficits Don't Matter,' The National Debt Hits A 50-Year High | ThinkProgress

Reagan Proved Deficits Don't Matter* | Crooks and Liars
 
Old 10-08-2015, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Personally I blame Obama because he signed the law. I feel Obama did it to work with republicans, not get blamed for raising taxes, and to give regular Americans more money. But were those things worth adding $2.7 trillion dollars to our debt? I say hell no.
The ramifications of not signing the bill would have been millions of unemployed losing benefits during the severe economic downturn and during economic declines increasing debt isn't that important compared to getting the economy back to normal.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 04:25 AM
 
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It sucks too many of our citizens are in debt and couldn't take advantage of the easy money to purchase a new car, refinance their mortgages, make new purchases, or start a business.

People forget there is monetary policy (the Fed) and fiscal policy (controlled by Congress's purse strings). We had the monetary policy of QE (aka cheap money), but didn't have a sufficient fiscal policy (stimulus) that would stimulate demand.... which would cause people to buy things...which would cause companies to expand. The stimulus saved a bunch of jobs by plugging states' debt, but it wasn't large enough to create much employment.

Do people not know about fiscal and monetary policy and how they work together?
It wasn't about the economy. It was about re establishing the lost riches of the upper crust. If it had been about the economy, as you note, things would have been done far differently.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 04:28 AM
 
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Income inequality is when the rich acquire more wealth than everyone else.
Lol.......O.K.

You make the common error of thinking I'm trying to say the GOP are the good guys, I'm not. I'm saying they all did this to us.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
Income inequality is when the rich acquire more wealth than everyone else.


Obama tried to raise billionaire CEO's tax rates (but the republicans stopped him.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule

Obama tried to give the middle class tax cuts (but republicans stopped him.)
GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News

Obama tried to raise the min wage giving workers more money (but republicans stopped him.)
Republicans block Sanders's minimum wage amendment | TheHill

Obama tried to bring high paying outsourced jobs back to America to give regular Americans more money (but republicans stopped him.)
Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

Obama tried to lower credit card interest rates giving Americans more money (but republicans stopped him.)
GOP Blocks Credit Card Bill, Endorses Skyrocketing Interest Rates | ThinkProgress

Obama tried to give more unemployment benefits (but republicans stopped him.)
Republicans Block Unemployment Extension, Democrats Plan to Try Again (Updated) - The World's Greatest Deliberative Body

ex.ex.


Clearly Obama took major steps to reverse income inequality, from raising billionaires tax rates, bringing high paying jobs back to America, and giving more money to regular Americans (but the republicans stopped him.)

Great post! Unfortunately, it will be ignored by conservatives on this board. When, like conservatives, your goal is to obstruct government like an angry child because he wasn't picked for the varsity team, it makes things difficult. Despite this opposition, Obama was able to pass legislation regardless. I bet it pisses them off that their entire goal was to see him fail, but he still won the second election handily.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 05:18 AM
 
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Great post! Unfortunately, it will be ignored by conservatives on this board. When, like conservatives, your goal is to obstruct government like an angry child because he wasn't picked for the varsity team, it makes things difficult. Despite this opposition, Obama was able to pass legislation regardless. I bet it pisses them off that their entire goal was to see him fail, but he still won the second election handily.
You have examples of Sanders trying to do something......Sanders who I plan on voting for and Sanders who voted against Bernanke after Obama renominated him and examples when nothing was being done.

For a proposal to extend all expiring tax cuts on individuals with incomes of less than $200,000 a year and married couples making less than $250,000, the vote was 53-36.

This was just after the (D) had been trashed in the mid terms and as it shows, many weren't even showing up for the votes. The (R)'s had 41 Senators when this vote was taken.
 
Old 10-09-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The ramifications of not signing the bill would have been millions of unemployed losing benefits during the severe economic downturn and during economic declines increasing debt isn't that important compared to getting the economy back to normal.
High national debt is a MAJOR factor that causes the US dollar to lose value. After the Bush tax cuts lost revenues, Iraq/Afghanistan wars, ex.ex. the US dollar lost a lot of value.

Today 23 countries (60% of the world’s GDP) are abandoning the US dollar, and that $2.7 trillion dollars added to our debt will weaken the US dollar even further.
23 Countries Now Abandoning US Dollar | Truth And Action


And considering a weakened US dollar and things like loss of federal funding to states, the Bush tax cuts do nothing to help the economy. The Bush tax cuts are "supply side" tax cuts (the richest 1% of Americans received 52% of the Bush tax cuts, and the 20% of Americans making $36,000-$59,000 received 10% of the Bush tax cuts.)

Example, Americans making $36,000-$56,000 received $5,400 in tax cuts from 2001-2010 (that's $540 dollars per year.)
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

But the tax cuts reduced federal revenues and cut federal funding to states. These federal cuts to states caused increased state taxes, higher state deficits, and a decline in the states financial stability. And when states lose federal funding schools decline, roads don't get repaired, government services decline, ex.ex.
Impact of Bush Plan on State Revenues: CTJ Analysis


Is $540 a year worth our debt increasing by trillions of dollars, the US dollar loosing value, other countries abandoning the US dollar, states deficits increasing, higher state taxes, poorly funded schools, un-repaired roads, and the loss of state government services?
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