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Old 10-06-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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Are you suggesting that Obama is on the same page as Thomas Jefferson was?
No, Obama hates the US Constitution. He has even stated as such years ago. He would rather have a document that allows a dictator, not one that keeps one away.

 
Old 10-06-2015, 07:42 AM
 
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How have they done that? First off, in the constitution laws are allowed to be written if they are deemed necessary and proper providing they are not unconstitutional otherwise. Second off, while many point to discrimination laws for example being state rights which is covered in the constitution (10th amendment), however they still are unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment and sometimes the first and 15th amendments. These are just a few off the top of my head.
Then all gun laws are unconstitutional.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 07:43 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No, Obama hates the US Constitution. He has even stated as such years ago. He would rather have a document that allows a dictator, not one that keeps one away.
When/Where?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Then all gun laws are unconstitutional.
The second is a weird case. It is a right but should be treated like driving, a privilege.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'd say that if one hates the Constitution, and the ideals in which this country was founded on, then why stay?
There's a big difference between "hates" and "disagrees with".
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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What if somebody disagrees and dislike the U.S. Constitution, what can they do? It seems like people are forced to support and almost worship an archaic piece of paper written mainly by warriors.
our founding fathers were warriors only because they had to be. in the end however most of them were the societal cream as it were. they were gentlemen, scholars, inventors, merchantmen, leaders, etc. so to call them essentially just warriors is doing a disservice to them and to this country.

the constitution is a framework for setting up our government, dividing power between the three branches of government, and defining what those powers are, and it also sets limits on government. and if you had any real education, you would know this. instead you have been indoctrinated by a bunch of progressive teachers who only tell you what they think, rather than having taught you to properly think for yourself.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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There's a big difference between "hates" and "disagrees with".

Again, why stay? If you hate or...I'm sorry "disagree" with the very premise and ideals that this country is founded on, it's your perrogative I suppose. But then why not just find another place in the world?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that Obama is on the same page as Thomas Jefferson was?
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The second is a weird case. It is a right but should be treated like driving, a privilege.

Yeah, that's obviously why it was 2nd only to speech and religious liberty.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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There's a big difference between "hates" and "disagrees with".
Based on the OP and the topic, I think they are more towards hate than simple disagreement. As I stated, we have the option to amend the constitution to limit federal power if we really want that. Every 20 or so years we have seen an amendment ratified on average with at most a 50 year lag and periods of short ratifications.

As for the claims of the founding fathers being "warriors" it is a mixed bag. Some were, look at Washington while others were non-violent protesters (the Sons of Liberty and the Daughter of Liberty for instance) others like Franklin and Jefferson were diplomats rather than warriors.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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When/Where?
Figures you wouldn't know or are in denial. He said he views the Constitution as a "a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf." Meaning it doesn't empower the government it restricts it. That right there shows what he really thinks of it.
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