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That's a huge assumption, and I hope that's not what you think.
You haven't proven that just having sex will keep them from rampaging. Lots of celibate people don't rampage. These types of people are defective on some fundamental level. If just not having sex turned men into murderers the human race would be extinct.
It's not an assumption, it's what Sodini said, albeit paraphrased.
And, it's not my job to prove that sex would keep anyone from killing. It simply removes one possible excuse for killing from that particular subset of mass-killers who use lack of sex as their excuse. By removing the excuse, perhaps they would be forced to look inside themselves a bit more and discover the real cause of their problems?
Unfortunately these guys typically do themselves in before we get the chance to ask them why, if lack of sex was reason to kill, did they not believe it was easier to simply hire an escort?
I agree that sex or female rejection is not the only reason they killed. The problem is that in some cases, it's the only reason they gave us, so it's a place to start.
Hell, given an abundant enough supply of sex without hassle, many normal men on this planet wouldn't actively seek out romance.
I was referring to this when I said I hope that's not what you think.
You are advocating throwing prostitutes at these people to "fix" them without proving it would help. For all you know it might just make them rampage on the prostitute.
The fix is never going to be as simple as a good lay. Or, in that case, a bad one. I can't imagine sex with a prostitute being much different than an evening of self love.
I was referring to this when I said I hope that's not what you think.
Oh believe me, this is not an assumption. Spend some time on any web forum where single men frequently discuss this matter uncensored, and you'll find that A LOT of men are happy as long as they have an ample supply of sex, and do not crave a relationship outside of that. I'm not speculating what percentage, or even saying that's the majority of men, but I know a lot of men personally who fall into that category. There is a saying among those who frequent prostitutes "we don't pay them for the sex, we pay them to go away after its over". They don't want to be involved in the potential effort a relationship or marriage requires (or in some cases they have been there before and don't care to go back).
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You are advocating throwing prostitutes at these people to "fix" them without proving it would help. For all you know it might just make them rampage on the prostitute.
No, I'm advocating that we remove criminality for the prostitutes that are already throwing themselves at random johns. It would actually be putting the sex worker in a safer position, because she would feel free to go to the police with any sort of complaint or charge without fear of being charged with a crime herself.
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The fix is never going to be as simple as a good lay. Or, in that case, a bad one. I can't imagine sex with a prostitute being much different than an evening of self love.
Well there is a huge population of men out there who enjoy prostitutes tremendously, find the practice to be an outlet for stress, and would disprove your imagined experiences with their actual experiences.
Do you reckon there's a reason it is the world's oldest profession? Would there really be a market for something that a person can handle themselves? Come on back to earth and discuss this reasonably.
But these guys didn't say they wanted romance. Hell, given an abundant enough supply of sex without hassle, many normal men on this planet wouldn't actively seek out romance.
Sure some of them would like a relationship, and obviously a prostitute is not going to help with that, but they could relieve a certain amount of sexual tension and frustration. Perhaps not enough to make the guy truly happy, but perhaps enough to save a few lives.
Sodini talked about just being able to remember what a woman feels like, and what it was like when he was younger to be able to take a woman home without being ignored every single time. He just wanted to get laid. He wanted to remember what it was like to talk to a woman without her quickly finding an excuse to get away from him.
Well, I still don't think that legalizing prostitution would result in a reduction in mass murders. Plenty of people frequent prostitutes even though it's illegal. Any one of these shooters could have hired a prostitute if he'd wanted to.
Sodini talked about just being able to remember what a woman feels like, and what it was like when he was younger to be able to take a woman home without being ignored every single time. He just wanted to get laid. He wanted to remember what it was like to talk to a woman without her quickly finding an excuse to get away from him.
But before getting laid can happen, he needed to be the kind of man who didn't repel women. IIRC, he was a decent-looking guy with a decent job, but if there was something about him that creeped women out that isn't really a woman's fault for being picky, and it's not something that could be cured by sex.
But before getting laid can happen, he needed to be the kind of man who didn't repel women. IIRC, he was a decent-looking guy with a decent job, but if there was something about him that creeped women out that isn't really a woman's fault for being picky, and it's not something that could be cured by sex.
Yes, in a still photo he seemed ordinary enough, but the moment you watch one of his self-narrated videos you got this kind of chilling weird vibe about him. It was very clear to me what the problem was with his personality, and if I knew him prior to the murder I would probably feel sorry for him and helpless because I don't know how to fix that. I wasn't suggesting for one moment that it was ever any woman's fault for not accepting him, I wouldn't even want to go have a beer with him.
I personally don't know why he stockpiled so much cash instead of using it to get laid, but different people have their reasons. Aversion to stigma, afraid to walk on the wrong side of the law, germ phobia , etc. Who knows. I think he would have not felt compelled to kill people if he had just found a way to get laid.
Any one of these shooters could have hired a prostitute if he'd wanted to.
Yes but some of these obsessive types try to "do things by the book" up until the very last possible minute, where they just lose it and start planning their attack, by that time its too late.
Legalization prostitution is a separate subject. It was your assertion that if these deranged people had sex they might not become killers. Two different subjects.
What people say on an anonymous board and what they do in real life is vastly different. But the real life examples of couples living together and marrying is a verifiable fact. Is it your assertion that the males in these relationships are totally faking a huge aspect of their life? I think your point of view says more about your life than most people.
I'm firmly standing on the earth. Compare the percentage of those who frequent prostitutes to those who don't. Your implying that most men are with prostitutes. I'm quite sure some men would rather be with a hooker but I highly doubt it's anywhere near the majority.
Legalization prostitution is a separate subject. It was your assertion that if these deranged people had sex they might not become killers. Two different subjects.
I defined the subject of this thread in the original post, and legalization of prostitution is absolutely part of that post and this topic. I don't think you've been paying much attention.
OP I see where you are getting at and it may help plenty of these involuntary celibate males out there. But some may not want to just get laid, some may want to have partners to hang out with, like a girlfriend or wife. So I think it is an error to assume access to sex alone will alleviate their problems.
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