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People ask for a living wage, you cry poor mouth. What you call FREE STUFF others call fringe benefits. Without fringe benefits like health insurance and vacation people are no longer employees. They are consultants or may as well be. If you are paying bottom dollar with no benefits like vacation you get what you pay for, a work force that's burned out and low quality.
There is no such thing as a "living wage"and there is no right to any wage or job, employment etc.
As an employee, you voluntarily sell your time/ labor for a mutually decided upon amount to a purchaser i.e. employer.
There is no such thing as a "living wage"and there is no right to any wage or job, employment etc.
As an employee, you voluntarily sell your time/ labor for a mutually decided upon amount to a purchaser i.e. employer.
There is however, a "going wage" for a particular job and you can't pay less than minimum wage to an employee.
I have to wonder if all of these older conservatives have never witnessed or experienced such hardship in their lives. It's easy to think that everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, until you know that there are times that you just can't.
They've never been sensitized to the need for a safety net. I was out of work for two years. Long term unemployment is like being tied up in the right front seat of your car rolling downhill toward a cliff. The cliff is where you run out of savings.
They've never been sensitized to the need for a safety net. I was out of work for two years. Long term unemployment is like being tied up in the right front seat of your car rolling downhill toward a cliff. The cliff is where you run out of savings.
Try again.
You had that safety net. We didn't. Unemployment was higher for longer. Whole industries disappeared almost over night.
Unemployment compensation cut off after 26 weeks except in special circumstances, WIC qualifications were more stringent as were those for Food Stamps. One day of work disqualified you for UC for the rest of the week.
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because you dont demand better... you make better, as in you want a better life? make it yourself, go to school, get experienced in a field, learn something people pay for....
for everyone wanting free school, how come they arent willing to work for free afterwards to pay it back? employers do better, they pay for people to go back to school as well as employ them afterwards so they get a job when they come out... US has a better system than europe to me. everyone has a shot at college here, not all in europe have same shot. their free school system isnt open to everyone...
Honey, I'm a BSN prepared RN, so don't tell me to 'go to school'. I want better for everyone that works 40 hours, not just ME. Also, I understand quite well how the University system works overseas, I've spent a lot of time there.
Socialists think a viable system is where people are going to go against their genetic hard-wiring and give up self-interest, transfer wealth from the productive and creative class, and believe there's a limitless supply of other people's money they can forcibly take to carry and nurture the dead-weight of society (which would increase greatly, as most won't want to be the sucker doing the work). It doesn't seem very reasonable, actually ass backwards.
Asking a Sanders fan. I asked in the kindest way I knew how “Hey, can I just ask you a quick question? I’m not going to argue with you. I just want to ask a question.” He obliged, and so it went as such:
Me: Why Bernie Sanders?
Voter: Because I’m a liberal who doesn’t like Hillary.
Me: Why are you a liberal?
Voter: Because I like big government.
Me: You like other people telling you what to do?
Voter: Yeah.
Me: Okay. Have a nice day.
Knowing how you are petch i seriously doubt you ever really met someone or even talked to an actual sanders fan what you said just sounds like something you'd makeup.
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Nope.
They expect to walk in to a business and not have to work their way up.
The jobs are there.
They're just too good for them.
When was the last time you ever looked on craigs list for a job? The last time i was on there one of the requirements for a DOG WALKER was an associates degree. Nearly every job nowadays wants at least a bachelors degree for just ANSWERING PHONES!! The jobs are there it's just the ridiculous requirements are what keep many people from having a decent job. Oh and let us not forget the crap pay they want to give even if you meet all the requirements.
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Write back when you start writing checks in the 6 figures a year to the government and then complain you get nothing back..
Which i seriously doubt you write a six figure check either.
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One thing from your posting stands out among everything else..
the demand for this free, that free, everything's free, and if you don't get it free, then you live in a 3rd world country..
please, just stop....
I pay taxes you pay taxes everyone who pays taxes should be demanding better benefits one gets from the government especially when it comes time to needing them.
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The wealthy (for probably 99% of the wealthy or more) created (earned) their wealth. It is capitalism that allows people to do this. Entrepreneurs, taking risks (risk taking is part of a capitalist system), and becoming successful are the engine of a free society.
Progressivism has damaged our system, and made it more difficult for entrepreneurs, with unreasonable and excessive regulation (regulatory agencies are a creation of the Progressives).
Yeah we see what happens when the wealthy take risks when they mess up WE pay for them by bailing out their failed companies and even then it's not good enough for them because they still want more money.
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So part of their compensation should be FREE STUFF.
While you argue you didnt make such a claim, you CLEARLY did..
I as a small business owner, would be bankrupt under your proposals, so while you for the life dont understand why you can have your FREE ****, I for one wonder why you think I should pay you for work you ARENT DOING..
You seem like one of my last employers cheap, and also ended up constantly giving out bad checks that would bounce more often than go through even after receiving good money from the gc to get the job finished quicker. Also I thought you were writing six figure checks if you can afford to write those types of checks how can you not afford paying your employees well and giving them vacation time? If you are that successful how than can you not afford such a thing?
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People ask for a living wage, you cry poor mouth. What you call FREE STUFF others call fringe benefits. Without fringe benefits like health insurance and vacation people are no longer employees. They are consultants or may as well be. If you are paying bottom dollar with no benefits like vacation you get what you pay for, a work force that's burned out and low quality.
Exactly!!! if you don't pay employees well you will not be in business in long. If you want to be cheap and not offer any sort of benefits be prepared to either end up with low skilled employees or one's who won't care about quality work.
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There is no such thing as a "living wage"and there is no right to any wage or job, employment etc.
As an employee, you voluntarily sell your time/ labor for a mutually decided upon amount to a purchaser i.e. employer.
Ok go ahead start a business and see how many people you actually get once you start telling them you'd rather pay them minimum wage. A company i went to interview for wanted me to be the janitor/maintenance man/helper/stock & inventory guy 6 days a week mandatory over time and when they asked how much i would like in NYC by the way i said $13 which is actually pretty cheap for out here. The look on the ladies face when i said that looked like i punched her in the stomach and spit on her. I didn't get the job and i'm glad i talked to a few people who worked there one guy lasted 3 days before he took his tools and walked off the job after also being told by the people that work their you don't want to work their. The second guy said he quit after a week after being given a lower pay rate than what was promised.
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A " going wage" is a made up number. The min. wage should be 0 and anyone can negotiate above it as they so wish.
what if the employer is like one of you cheap right wingers? A minimum wage is a good thing for WORKERS as far as employers who cares seriously? Unless i become a business owner and start charging someone $400 to change out an outlet or a switch where i than cry poverty if i have to pay an employee a decent wage than i shouldn't be in business.
Why can't right-wingers understand that their days are over, millenials will take over decades and want to become like those Nordic/Western European, Australian/New Zealand labor and government type system where the government provides life/social saferty net and security, free/very low cost education at all levels, mandatory paid days off from work, universal healthcare, and free from debt! Invest the money on our people, not foreigners and nonsense spending on military, wars, etc.! Millenials are sick and tired of having huge student loan debts while some may not find jobs because it's crappy low wages with some even no benefits, high cost of living, competition and expensive homes/rents, expensive daycares, etc. making life for non-rich people difficult. We pay already high taxes but barely get anything back from them unlike in Europe!!!! Capitalism will eventually die out hopefully...
Cut foreign & military aid, invest on us!!
Dude, you will find yourself and the handful of those like you living in a camp like something out of a Road Warrior movie.
If you are determined to be a lazy sloth, don't expect society to support your type.
You are mistaken if you think life should be fair.
There is however, a "going wage" for a particular job and you can't pay less than minimum wage to an employee.
Frank talked about this ... but I have a direct question for you, where/who established this number? In Soviet Russia, the state did this (Communist China still does) for every job. You took a shot at Petch about Bernie, but isn't this exactly what Bernie wants? Isn't this socialism at its finest? I could continue, but please explain GOING WAGE, its origin, and why minimum wage can't be GOING WAGE. We'll save the minimum wage discussion for later.
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