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Originally Posted by oktaren
No, its not at all. If you don't want a baby, or babies, then keep your pants on, and your vagina away from test tubes, etc. as well. Its not that difficult.
If you really believe abstinence is going to fly I have title to a lovely little bridge in Brooklyn that may interest you
Last time I saw a comment like this (in another thread), I was tempted to respond to it but didn't. Thanks for making the same stupid comment someone else did so that I would actually go through with responding. I hope you encounter and befriend someone who was raped and impregnated, because hopefully after hearing that perspective, you'll making such blanket statements, which are offensive even to those of us who have not been in such a situation.
In response to the OP...I just think this is one of the most complex political issues society is dealing with. I think any person on either side of the debate would be in denial if he or she tried to paint it as something simple.
Unfortunately, while your post speaks to a fact which is technically true, it neglects to address its rarity in the vast 'norm'. The fact is, the OVERWHELMING majority of abortions are NOT sought by rape victims. That's hardly even a fair subject for this discussion. Pregnancy normally doesn't just "happen". It's something TWO adults DO, and it involves a third party, the most INNOCENT of all possible 'parties' in ANY imaginable 'case".
The same faulty reasoning is used (for example) in comparing chronic, low-level street thuggery, gang violence, and property crime (often blamed on 'minorities") with the "white" crime of high school campus massacres. Questions of racism aside, there's simply NO comparing chronic, everyday street crime (white or not) with EXTREMELY rare events like school shootings. They are two entirely different things. Same thing applies in discussions regarding Islamic terrorist bombings...inevitably, someone says "DON'T lay this at the feet of Muslim fundamentalists---what about Timothy McVeigh ?"....rubbish ! Islamic violence is on-going, chronic, world-wide, and quite group-specific. It has many 'operatives' and millions of sympathizers. Timothy McVeigh was an isolated "nut case"- no 'backing', no crowds of 'well-wishers', no elaborate 'martyr's funeral' parade, no government 'covering for him'. It's a nonsense comparison, yet it's used frequently...
If you really believe abstinence is going to fly I have title to a lovely little bridge in Brooklyn that may interest you
We shouldn't expect abstinence or responsibility....kill the 'mistake' instead. (of course, MOST of the folks defending abortion are lucky THEIR mothers DIDN'T use it)...but you're right, who are we to judge? I don't even have a uterus...(nor am I a rapist...some guys just have a harder time taking "no" for an answer...how can I say they're 'bad'?)
I can't ask abstinence to 'fly', but I can demand accountability for one's actions. I can't ask for prohibition, but I can demand punishment for drunk drivers...
Seems like we had a discussion on here sometime back about a Saudi rape victim who was "lashed" for being a 'temptation' to the rapist....she turned a 'good man bad', I guess, because she was a woman. I guess she shouldn't have expected 'self-restraint' to "fly" in that 'manly' culture......silly broad!! Keep those gals 'locked up indoors', or suffer the consequences. Self-control doesn't 'fly'.!
If you really believe abstinence is going to fly I have title to a lovely little bridge in Brooklyn that may interest you
By the same token, if you believe people are going to stop killing one another, I've got that same bridge. So should we not enact laws and punish those who break them?
Your statement might be meaningful if there was any birth control method that was 100% effective other than abstinence.
So the myth that many unwanted prgnancies are the result of irresponsibility is just that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a myth.
Used properly, existing birth control methods approach so closely to 100% effectiveness that, yes, we can reasonably say that the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are the result of irresponibility.
It's not like we're still relying on crocodile dung, animal intestines, and the rythm method...
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By the same token, if you believe people are going to stop killing one another, I've got that same bridge. So should we not enact laws and punish those who break them?
I have NO idea what your point is. Abortion is legal, are you suggesting we punish people for acting within the law? You've certainly presented no good reason to change current law.
I have NO idea what your point is. Abortion is legal, are you suggesting we punish people for acting within the law? You've certainly presented no good reason to change current law.
Your point is that since abstinence is unrealistic in preventing pregnancies, that we should not create laws to punish people for their actions since some people can't control themselves. My point was an extension of yours, and if you find it ridiculous, you should find your original point as ridiculous.
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