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Old 10-16-2015, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Maybe because people want responsible gun ownership. Unstable people are getting too many guns. It's harder to get a drivers license. Gun ownership isn't a right if your certifiable. Common sense is king....
Then anti-gun folks should have "Common Sense" too, but we already know they don't and many are Certifiable. All one has to do is look around. Who in their right minds can have a problem with "Scary Looking Guns." .
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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Google: Kao Xiong June 27, 2013
Still waiting for you to explain what you would have happen in my scenario.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Why does a gun have to be discharged ro garner the maximum penalty? Where is the demand for the penalty only for use?

All that does is incentivize the criminal to use a gun but not discharge it. Does the person on the other end know the criminal does not intent to shoot? That is corrupted thinking on the part if gun control groups and here is why:Were the maximum penalty to be imposed for any use, discharge or not, there might be a marked reduction in the use of a gun where the criminal dis not intend to shoot. What would happen then? Fewer gun related crimes and that actually presents a problem for the law sponsors.
If a law as I described were shown to reduce gun related crimes then it would reduce the percieved need for other laws. Why enact a law that could reduce gun related crimes where a gun wasn't discharged if they could be used to support yet more laws with a more restrictive goal in mind?
I already posted the penalty for you...
"Robbery in the first degree is punishable by imprisonment for three to nine years. The use of a firearm* (armed robbery) in California adds an additional 10 years to the defendant's sentence. If the offender is a felon, or belongs to a gang, or has previous 'strike' offenses the penalty could double or triple what I just stated.
(use of firearm means having one present when the crime is committed).

19 years is hardly an incentive toward bringing a gun to a robbery... I'm not sure what your problem with this is, don't you agree that firing a gun is more serious than merely having one in your possession?
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:03 PM
 
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you got gun control people that want felons and looney tune, not to have guns, and then you have anti guns that want nobody to have any guns but the felons
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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Google: Kao Xiong June 27, 2013
So, the law worked? What are you bitching about?
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:12 PM
 
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Google: Kao Xiong June 27, 2013
Remember this link?

3-year-old boy killed in drive-by shooting identified

You said it could have been worse if they were killed with a knife....
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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Nope, Wrong, its not a "Good Idea," Its a "Feel Good" idea, that will not serve any purpose. Knowing it was stolen before it was used is worthless knowledge and prevents nothing. (unless you see what no one else sees) When the gun is used in a Crime, and "IF" its recovered, which is rare, the Police will find its been stolen when and if, they trace it back to the buyer. At this point they don't know any more than they did when they started. That makes it a worthless "feel good" Law that wastes a lot of time and paper, yet does nothing. Straw purchasing is not as common as Anti-Gun Nuts want you to think. Its just more Propaganda to instill fear in people. Criminals can buy guns without finding a buyer that may later turn them in.
I'm not anti-gun, my husband and I both own guns. I don't think you have a clue as to how often guns are acquired through straw purchases. And why are you so opposed to it, don't you think most honest, law abiding people would report their missing or stolen firearms?
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Using a scripted telephone interview, we screened a sample of licensed retailers in California to assess their willingness to participate in the surrogate or “straw” purchase of a handgun; such purchases are illegal under federal law. Of 149 retailers who provided a response, 30 (20.1%) agreed to participate. In multivariate analysis, pawnbrokers were more likely to agree than were gun dealers (odds ratio 6.58, 95% confidence interval 1.99–21.71).

A much less expensive approach is to solicit participation in an illegal act, such as a straw purchase, by telephone. Sorenson and Vittes used this technique to assess 120 licensed gun retailers, selected from an Internet business directory, in 20 large cities across the country.17 Of the 40 retailers who were told that “my girl/boyfriend needs me to buy her/him a handgun,” 21 (52.5%) agreed to make the sale.Firearm Retailers
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:23 PM
 
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I'm not anti-gun, my husband and I both own guns. I don't think you have a clue as to how often guns are acquired through straw purchases. And why are you so opposed to it, don't you think most honest, law abiding people would report their missing or stolen firearms?
And most do report their guns stolen. However, how does that prevent a crime?
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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So, the law worked? What are you bitching about?
The child is dead … a martyr to the Gun Nut fascination with "guns as defense of the home and family" ...
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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I'm not anti-gun, my husband and I both own guns. I don't think you have a clue as to how often guns are acquired through straw purchases. And why are you so opposed to it, don't you think most honest, law abiding people would report their missing or stolen firearms?
Just how does someone who steals a gun get impacted by any laws regarding straw purchases of guns? Even in the much publicised case recently where an underage thug used a straw purchaser, who in their right mind believes that criminal would not otherwise obtain a gun?

It is a fact that most criminals do not go to gun dealers to get guns, only the completely ignorant ones. No law can stop a person from using the straw purchaser scheme to get a gun.

If anyone can explain how any law stops a straw purchase, lets hear it otherwise it is more of the same, a law just to feel good about making a law.

Like that moron Newsome in California saying he's afraid for his barely in school children because of the shooting in Oregon. The man lives in California in an exclusive community, his kids would never attend public school and he has state provided armed body guards.
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