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Old 10-16-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, but they get MUCH MORE!
bull

poverty rate usa 14.0
poverty rate denmark 13.9
poverty rate norway 11.9
poverty rate sweden 5.0 and increasing fast
Sweden to become a Third World Country by 2030, according to UN
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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So why aren't Americans embracing higher taxes for that Utopia ?

Vermont dropped their universal health insurance plan because it would have meant 2 new taxes, a state tax and a FICA like tax of 18%..11% on employer and 7% on employee in addition to the Federal FICA.

They tossed it because of taxes. They want it but they don't want to pay for it.
Yeah, you have to pay for it.

You can pay with taxes or you can pay with monthly premiums (as you ate doing now).
Do you think your monthly premiums will be cheaper than the taxes for National Health?
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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bull

poverty rate usa 14.0
poverty rate denmark 13.9
poverty rate norway 11.9
poverty rate sweden 5.0 and increasing fast
Sweden to become a Third World Country by 2030, according to UN
But, according to your numbers poverty is worse in the USA. What is your point?
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Old 10-16-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yeah, you have to pay for it.

You can pay with taxes or you can pay with monthly premiums (as you ate doing now).
Do you think your monthly premiums will be cheaper than the taxes for National Health?
Go read up. Most on universal health care also have private insurance.
So they ended up paying higher taxes and continue to pay for private health insurance.
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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On the contrary, indeed it does. Note the historical quotes included here:

https://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML
Your link first asserts that the are the same then goes off and explains how they are different. What is telling is that he concurs that socialism and fascism differ on public ownership of production. That's key.

I don't know of the author but he sounds like a freshman writing a term paper.

It is universally accepted, except for revisionists, that fascism and socialism are opposites.
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:47 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your link first asserts that the are the same then goes off and explains how they are different. What is telling is that he concurs that socialism and fascism differ on public ownership of production. That's key.

...It is universally accepted, except for revisionists, that fascism and socialism are opposites.
Not at all. Read the historical quotes at the link, spoken by fascists. They espouse socialist goals.
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Go read up. Most on universal health care also have private insurance.
So they ended up paying higher taxes and continue to pay for private health insurance.
Sure, you can buy private insurance in all countries with NAtional Health. That is how is done in England.

This is how I see it. Medicare could easily cover the young people for a lower premium than what they pay now to private health insurance. If the government was wise they could make as much money as the private insurers.
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Old 10-16-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yeah, you have to pay for it.

You can pay with taxes or you can pay with monthly premiums (as you ate doing now).
Do you think your monthly premiums will be cheaper than the taxes for National Health?
Without addressing the actual costs of medical services both will continue to skyrocket each year.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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There are so many facets of the American political-economic construct that would
better serve citizens within a democratic socialist system than a private capitalism
system it is glaring us in the face, especially those of us adults who realize that we
are not living in the 1790s or the 1920s anymore. Here's a small list.

1) Medical - should be owned and operated by the people for the people.
2) Assisted Living - should be owned and operated by the people for the people.
3) Post-Secondary Education - public/private mixture as is, but with assistances
and price controls in place to safeguard against abuse.
4) Job Placement - should be mandatory for college/trade school graduates with
government-mandated programs to force public and private sectors to put new
graduates to work in their respective fields of study.
5) Resource Management and Exploration - public ownership by the people for the people.
6) Power Utilities - Full public ownership to supply communities with power on a non-profit basis.
7) Communications - Publicly owned and administered as non-profit entities.
8) Across-the-Board restrictions on corporate profits with reasonable levels of operative
gain allowed but limited to prevent price-gouging. For example, limits on pharmaceutical profits.
9) Green Technology programs to redevelop our infrastructure into the 21st Century at the present
levels of technology. This could include a total revamping of our transportation system.
10) Aggressive environmental protection programs which establish ecosystem protection zones
to limit the progression of our destructive impact and industrial footprint on this planet.
11) Elimination of the Federal Reserve Sytem, once again restoring the power of the purse and
the origin and control of all legal tender back to the people and their directly chosen representatives.
12) Adjustment to the Supreme Court. Each State's Governor would appoint a justice with a term
limit of 20 years. All justices stand for re-appointment at 4-year intervals. Super-majority of 2/3
required to change any existing laws, retroactive - thereby annulling all previous Supreme Court
decisions which were not ruled by super-majority.
13) Abolition of the Presidency - which is a totally unnecessary position. No person should have the
power to obstruct or force the will of the people. Military command will consist of a board of top brass
promoted from within but confirmed by the Congress.
14) Immediate return home of all US military personnel, the turnover of all installations to their
respective governments and all non-US-based military activity requires Congressional declaration.
15) A full-time Congress with mandatory attendances strictly enforced - like a real job.
Non-participants will immediately lose their seats with your standard exemptions for short periods of time.
16) Local Ownership of all Major Sports teams.
etc. !
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Old 10-17-2015, 05:23 AM
 
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Without addressing the actual costs of medical services both will continue to skyrocket each year.
This is what us mind boggling we continue to go at each other's throat about how to pay for health care, when the root of the problem is the costs that are insane. The first universal anything we need is universal malpractice insurance, reign in medical school costs or subsidize them kind of the military does, for qualified students we could repay their loans for x years of service. In a country where we are so in love with capitalism we accept this health care system with no competition, you can't even figure out how much any service is, then you get a random number of bills from people you never seen before.
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