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Old 10-15-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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What are you even talking about? Do you understand the long term damage to the country (which is already happening) if college were only available to the wealthy? Why do you think the US has fallen so far behind other developed countries in terms of education?

Free food is absolutely nothing compared to the level of subsidy we give to corporations who pay people a below poverty level wage. More than two thirds of people on welfare are actually working full time.

Immigrants have been a net economic benefit to this country. In fact, immigrants are less likely to claim benefits or commit crime than natives.

The problem with this country right now is the complete misunderstanding of how the economy works. Anything that is perceived as "giving" is labelled as a handout. Honestly, the best policy we could implement would be mandatory econ101 classes to everyone in the country. At least then they might just understand the difference between public and private debt, how wealth is actually created, and how our current monetary system means an never-ending escalation in the centralization of America's wealth.
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare - Judicial Watch

Illegal Immigrant Births - At Your Expense - CBS News

Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants

The Financial Costs of Illegal Immigration

Just in case you are blurring the lines between legal and illegal in regards to "immigrants".
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No we didn't, and no they don't. Everyone shouldn't go to college, but making sure that college is affordable for those who are capable is an economic necessity. How many people in this country have enormous potential but no longer have the ability to afford our astronomical college tuition rates? (rhetorical)
When Obama nationalized student loans he opened that money faucet for everyone.
How do you think student debt got so high ? "Everybody's a winner" mentality.

Now there is huge student loan debt and our graduation rates for 2 and 4 year colleges are no different.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:03 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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When Obama nationalized student loans he opened that money faucet for everyone.
How do you think student debt got so high ? "Everybody's a winner" mentality.

Now there is huge student loan debt and our graduation rates for 2 and 4 year colleges are no different.
Don't forget the for-profit schools that have popped up. Most of them are worthless.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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When Obama nationalized student loans he opened that money faucet for everyone.
How do you think student debt got so high ? "Everybody's a winner" mentality.

Now there is huge student loan debt and our graduation rates for 2 and 4 year colleges are no different.
Makes you wonder if the democrats watching the debate so the irony in this. They were cheering when the candidates addressed more government solutions for the tuition and student loan crisis, never stopping to think that the student debt has doubled, and is a crisis, ever since Obama took it over.

That's the problem with these liberal, big government solutions types. They believe that self anointed bureaucratic masterminds, with big government solutions can fix any and all problems. However, when these big government solutions just make the problems twice as bad, their solution is always the same, empower government with even more power, control and taxpayer money.

They are their own "bitter clingers," they cling to their tax increases and expansion of federal control, with antipathy towards anyone whose solutions are different from theirs.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Don't forget the for-profit schools that have popped up. Most of them are worthless.
have popped up???

you mean like harvard??? which just ''popped up''' back in 1636
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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meanwhile food is HIGHER
USDA ERS - Food Price Outlook: Summary Findings

btw...this is only the third time in 40 years — all of them during the Obama administration — that the Social Security Administration has not increased its payments.




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About 65 million retired and disabled workers, spouses and children collect Social Security benefits every month, the equivalent of about 1 in 4 households. Another 15 million are disabled veterans, federal retirees and their survivors, and those on Supplemental Security Income, the disability program for the poor. Most Americans have their outpatient care premiums for Medicare Part B deducted directly from their Social Security checks, and the annual cost-of-living increase usually covers any increase to premiums. Their premiums could rise by 52 percent, by about $54 a month to $159, according to calculations earlier this year by the Medicare Trustees, and more for those with higher incomes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ty-recipients/

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Seniors squeezed by no Social Security increase
From your source:
"The food-at-home (grocery store or supermarket food items) CPI rose 0.3 percent in August and is 0.8 percent higher than last August." That's not rampant inflation (0.8% year to year.)
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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When Obama nationalized student loans he opened that money faucet for everyone.
How do you think student debt got so high ? "Everybody's a winner" mentality.

Now there is huge student loan debt and our graduation rates for 2 and 4 year colleges are no different.
I know your narrative is always it's Obama all the time but to blame the rise in student debt on Obama is way off course.

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Old 10-16-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I know your narrative is always it's Obama all the time but to blame the rise in student debt on Obama is way off course.
but its not about '''Obama'''

it is about the liberals and all thier 'free money' programs which have caused the massive increases

this includes all the student FEDERAL loan forgivness plans and pell grants

average pell grant in 2001.....$2070...number of recipients 3,880,448

average pell grant in 2014.....$5700...number of recipients 11,738,000
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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but its not about '''Obama'''

it is about the liberals and all thier 'free money' programs which have caused the massive increases

this includes all the student FEDERAL loan forgivness plans and pell grants

average pell grant in 2001.....$2070...number of recipients 3,880,448

average pell grant in 2014.....$5700...number of recipients 11,738,000
As I noted, spending has been flat for several years.
But I think it is fiscal debauchery to believe that spending money to provide higher education is a waste of money. The amount of money that the federal government spends on student loan forgiveness is a rounding error on a rounding error compared to total spending and it's good for the country to have more educated people.

According to The 8 Biggest Corporate Welfare Recipients in America, $92 billion went to profitable American companies. Now that's welfare!
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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As I noted, spending has been flat for several years.
But I think it is fiscal debauchery to believe that spending money to provide higher education is a waste of money. The amount of money that the federal government spends on student loan forgiveness is a rounding error on a rounding error compared to total spending and it's good for the country to have more educated people.

According to The 8 Biggest Corporate Welfare Recipients in America, $92 billion went to profitable American companies. Now that's welfare!
That statement would only be true if they actually graduated from college once entering.
You can't peg that statement on student loan availability.

It's only true if they graduate with a college degree.
Most track college admissions but few track college graduation rates.

The lowest of the low go to CC because they can't get into 4 year colleges with their grades.
The lowest of the low, the ones you want educated, have a 39% graduation rate.

The graduation rates haven't changed even though money is plentiful.
So the excuse that they couldn't go to college because they had no money was false.

39% graduation rate at a 2 year community college
55% graduation rate at a 4 year university

http://nscresearchcenter.org/wp-cont...ureReport8.pdf
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