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Every time that welfare is discussed on this forum, it ends up in mud slinging, (from both sides), and no one ever has any actual answers. So, today, what I would like is for those on either side, Democrat or Republican, to give an honest, thoughtful answer to what, exactly, should be done to combat the welfare problem in this country, and further, explain, in detail how and why it would work. Don't just say, "raise the minimum wage" or "get rid of the fraud", "get a job", "get an education", because that doesn't explain, in detail, why and how that would work. (People do try to get jobs, people can't always afford the education, or, being non PC here, not everyone can get those degrees in engineering, or science, or become doctors, etc...let's face reality here.)
Which gives figures that illustrate that living on welfare is actually a more luxurious lifestyle for many than what type of lifestyle a person with only a HS education, or some college, would receive by working full time.
That should squash many of the arguments seen on this forum, every. single. time. there is a debate about welfare reform.
Okay.
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1) What is YOUR solution, in detail.
The use of a payee, combined with a reimbursement program.
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2) Explain how and why YOUR solution will work.
It forces them to do what normal people do, which is to save money or at the very least not waste money.
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Cut welfare off.
The illegal manage to find jobs, housing and get food AND be able to send money back home every week.
And all this without the help of welfare programs.
there are many cases of illegals living 10 to 15 in a home, pooling resources, and working jobs that are under the table as well as illegal child labor
I'm still of the opinion to get rid of all welfare.
Poor from all over the world are coming here for "our benefits".
Get rid of welfare and admit that we have open borders.
This country is 239 years old and has not always existed on welfare.
Welfare has not gotten rid of poverty.
Well, I've pointed out three times how I would like to know more about this, and you have not yet delivered.
Again, HOW will you do it? In one day, over a period of time, what do you do with all of those who are currently on it, what do you do with the kids? Just saying "cut it off" is not answering the rest of it.
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Some of your links were about food stamps which is a completely different topic towards welfare. While Welfare has challenges, Welfare fraud is much less amongst users than Food Stamp users. Two of your video's showed fraud against government employees and not users.
We cannot continue with a "solution" to welfare without understanding the historical, sociological and socio-economic conditions that welfare users are up against. Further more, if one understood welfare, they would know the challenges and restrictions of the Welfare process. Welfare is not food stamps, people with real life challenges, complications and ailments cannot survive due to our present society. What more restrictions to welfare would you like? You cant have a father living in the household, you must have at least one child and sometimes even a cap, your ostracized in society and many employers will only hire you for the bare minimum.
SNAP is welfare. TANF is welfare. Medicaid is welfare. 85 various programs are welfare.
Tax breaks for the 1% are welfare. Corporate bailouts are welfare. College scholarships and grants are welfare. Public schools are welfare programs.
Anyone living at home after the age of 18 is on parentfare. Anyone being supported by their family after the age of 18 (working or in college) is on parentfare. A woman who doesn't work for a living while her husband has a full time job is on husbandfare.
Tax breaks for the 1% are welfare. Corporate bailouts are welfare. College scholarships and grants are welfare. Public schools are welfare programs.
Anyone living at home after the age of 18 is on parentfare. Anyone being supported by their family after the age of 18 (working or in college) is on parentfare. A woman who doesn't work for a living while her husband has a full time job is on husbandfare.
We can go on and on with this if you want.
OR, you could answer my two questions posed in the original post?
Instead of cutting welfare, we should find ways to have companies pay better wages. Of course people go on welfare when jobs are available-often the welfare pays more. That's not the user's fault for taking advantage of what's offered, it's just being economical. Why should they be expected to work when they can make just as much or more money by not doing so? Again, that's not a jab at those people. They're doing what anyone would do. Besides, a lot of welfare takers have other tasks to attend to that they can't do with a job, such as tending to children.
Neither party is willing to right size welfare or attempt to eliminate fraud.
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