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Old 10-18-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Please explain how keeping money in the hands of the people to spend, crashes economies.
That's a good point. We always hear (from the left) how increasing taxes on the so-called "rich" and giving it to people with low incomes will stimulate the economy via spending. So how come letting the "rich" keep more of their income won't do the same? To clarify, I'm not talking about Warren Buffet but a married couple who live in a high COL area and are 250k earners. Oh wait, I forgot. It has nothing to do with stimulating the economy and everything to do with pandering to the base.

 
Old 10-18-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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President obama is the worst thing to happen to America in 100 years. Anyone who supports him and believes he is a good man who is trying to help America, is a fool.
Worse than Hoover?

I really like to know what forms your opinion, Grumpy.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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More great news about a benefit to this country from President Obama's presidency.

Remember, Republican Bush was given a SURPLUS by Democrat Clinton and turned it into a RECORD DEFICIT. Had our great President Obama not been obstructed by Republicans in Congress, we likely would be enjoying another surplus.

Deficit shrinks by $1 trillion in Obama era | MSNBC
Whoopie. While the debt doubled under his watch, and will be $20 Trillion by the time he leaves office!

(Nothing from MSNBC is trustworthy)

There was no "surplus" from Clinton. That is a complete myth, and has been debunked numerous times.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That's a good point. We always hear (from the left) how increasing taxes on the so-called "rich" and giving it to people with low incomes will stimulate the economy via spending. So how come letting the "rich" keep more of their income won't do the same? To clarify, I'm not talking about Warren Buffet but a married couple who live in a high COL area and are 250k earners. Oh wait, I forgot. It has nothing to do with stimulating the economy and everything to do with pandering to the base.
Why? Because the rich don't have the same marginal propensity to consume. According to A review of the economic research on the effects of raising ordinary income tax rates "the economic literature widely finds no discernible effect of top tax rate changes on the primary factors driving economic growth, it is somewhat reassuring that a deep body of research, such as that by Gravelle and Marples (2011) and Hungerford (2012), finds changes in the top U.S. marginal tax rates have had no statistically significant impact on real GDP growth itself.
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Generally, the evidence indicates that low- and moderate-income households will spend a larger share of any tax cut (as they have lower overall savings rates than higher-income households, and are more likely to be liquidity constrained). By definition, then, lowering top marginal tax rates means that such changes will be least targeted toward lower- and middle-income households, and thus yield relatively low fiscal multipliers."


It also has to do with the multiplier effect. The stimulative multiplier effect for tax-cuts -- especially on upper income tax-cuts, is about 50% less than government spending.

One can therefore say, that politicians who argue for tax-cuts for the rich are the ones doing the pandering -- hoping to satisfy their contributors with a policy that has no economic benefits except to have the rich get richer.

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Old 10-18-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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It's amazing how people tend to gloss over this fact!
We don't! We know Boehner and McConnell don't know how to take a stand.
Congress rating........
How Many Bills has Obama Vetoed? | CongressRatings.com - Rate Politicians & Congress


Read what President Obama wanted to cut, while sending our money to these countries.
The spending isn't stopping.
https://zachjonesishome.wordpress.co...ise-consensus/

the foreign companies receiving your tax money from the ever growing Obama Stimulus. Let your friends know the BILLIONS intended to stimulate the American economy, stimulated the rest of the world, and in the tsunami that resulted, thousands of Americans lost their jobs: A record of a President’s stimulus failure goes round the world:
 
Old 10-18-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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the foreign companies receiving your tax money from the ever growing Obama Stimulus. Let your friends know the BILLIONS intended to stimulate the American economy, stimulated the rest of the world, and in the tsunami that resulted, thousands of Americans lost their jobs: A record of a President’s stimulus failure goes round the world:
First, the stimulus ended years ago.
Second, Politifact ruled that what you said about the stimulus is
 
Old 10-18-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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LOL..wasn't it he who drove that deficit that high over his 8 year "Reign of spending" ?
Nope, it was the Great Recession + tax cuts + two wars

All brought to us by the Supreme Failure, George W Bush.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 04:07 PM
 
Location: NJ
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First, the stimulus ended years ago.
Second, Politifact ruled that what you said about the stimulus is
Yes, that's right! Biden declared the summer of recovery in 2010.

How is that working out? Hope he runs so he can be asked about that victory cry.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Yes, that's right! Biden declared the summer of recovery in 2010.

How is that working out? Hope he runs so he can be asked about that victory cry.
Current unemployment rate: 5.1%

I'd say it's doing pretty good, considering the obstruction from GOP saboteurs in Congress.

Btw, 5.1% is a rate Reagan NEVER saw in his eight years as president.
 
Old 10-19-2015, 04:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by LexusNexus View Post
More great news about a benefit to this country from President Obama's presidency.

Remember, Republican Bush was given a SURPLUS by Democrat Clinton and turned it into a RECORD DEFICIT. Had our great President Obama not been obstructed by Republicans in Congress, we likely would be enjoying another surplus.

Deficit shrinks by $1 trillion in Obama era | MSNBC

Well the Banks and most of the car makers paid back Tarp that the Democrats pushed thru congress to support a failing Housing market that the Dem' lied to the American People.

Freddy Mac and Mae? The Era of Free money was brought to a destructive end!

Besides Congress has a lot to do with this mix too. The GOP has been pushing cut backs while the President wants to spend his way out. President Obama can not even get a budget passed.
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