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It was primarily in the South where Jim Crow was the law of the land. One reason my grandparents left the South. One reason a lot of Blacks started leaving the South.
That wasn't the people, that was government.
And by 1930 black unemployment became higher than white unemployment. So much for moving North. I guess unions didn't welcome blacks with open arms after all huh.
That's why I say let the flag fly as a reminder of what can happen from unintended consequence.
I guess the South getting its collective hide tanned for revolting for the worst possible reason does qualify as an unintended consequence, but something tells me that's not exactly what you intend to convey...
Eventually everything will be banned at the rate we are going at.
"I don't like it...so ban it!"
If the flag is flown at a university you attend, it's more along the lines of "I don't want that representing me", and that's actually a perfectly valid concern.
Not to the degree that exists in the Deep South, no.
Probably because for a century or more the majority of the nation's black population lived in the south since so many northerners after the civil war wouldn't let them enter their state and neighborhood.
That's on you for being ignorant. New York draft riots with over 100 dead. "We aren't fighting for blacks" The demographics of the city changed as a result of the riot. So many blacks left Manhattan permanently (many moving to Brooklyn), that by 1865 their population fell below 10,000, the number in 1820.
I guess you never watched the Gangs of New York.
Pretty sure the draft riots didn't happen 100 years after the civil war. Unlike say... the Selma Church bombing.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
That wasn't the people, that was government.
And by 1930 black unemployment became higher than white unemployment. So much for moving North. I guess unions didn't welcome blacks with open arms after all huh.
Oh I see. And who exactly gives the government its power?
Buddy, I don't even care if you're racist or not. It doesn't matter to me. But your revisionist history isn't going to work. The South was full of bigots who did everything they could to disenfranchise blacks for over a century after the the civil war ended. They only stopped when ordered to do so during the Civil Rights era. Once again through threat of federal military force.
It's about time things change. The Confederate flag is traitorous. It shows some people have not moved on. The war is over. The Union won, the Confederacy lost. The desire to keep slavery was a large why Mississippi wanted to secede. The Confederate flag was also flown as a resistance to the Civil Rights movement. It is a throwback to ugly times.
Well, then let's pretend it never happened. It will be doubleplusgood.
That wasn't the people, that was government.
And by 1930 black unemployment became higher than white unemployment. So much for moving North. I guess unions didn't welcome blacks with open arms after all huh.
It was both the government and many of the people. Last I checked, alot of people got up in arms when people were talking about integration.
And I said it was ONE reason. ONE as in there is more. And Black unemployment was higher everywhere, north or south. Rather than downplaying Jim Crow in the South, better to just admit that it played in role in many Blacks leaving the South.
Something else. 1930 was one year into the Great Depression. Everyone was doing bad.
I also think you didn't read this post, or ignored it.
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No one said there wasn't racism in the North. I even admit this. However, the South was doing the Jim Crow laws, and even using violence to enforce Jim Crow. This was i addition to stubbornly holding on to the institution of slavery. Alot of Blacks were leaving the South between 1910-1970. One can say jobs were a big part, and it was. However, during that time, why were more Blacks moving to New York, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, and Philadelphia than to Atlanta, Birmingham, or even Memphis?
It's about time things change. The Confederate flag is traitorous. It shows some people have not moved on. The war is over. The Union won, the Confederacy lost. The desire to keep slavery was a large why Mississippi wanted to secede. The Confederate flag was also flown as a resistance to the Civil Rights movement. It is a throwback to ugly times.
I think the second part of your statement is more compelling than the first.
My objection to the Confederate battle flag has nothing to do with General Beauregard or Marse Robert or Mint Juleps or brave boys in gray fighting fighting for a cause they believed in or magnolias or Miss Scarlett's green velvet dress or the Dukes of Hazzard. My objection has everything to do with post-WW2 racists and bigots using it as a symbol of hate and segregation.
As a KKK emblem it tarnished the historical significance of that flag forever.
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