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If my daughter chose to be defiant and chose not to leave the class when asked to do so, I would be OK with the outcome.
Then again, I did not give my child a phone and she would have chosen to not be defiant in a classroom.
Look at the chokehold and the way she fell. She could have easily broken her neck and gotten paralyzed. You'd be OK with this outcome? Over classroom disruptions?
I monitor my children's school activities very closely, and keep close contact with the teachers, so something like this shouldn't ever happen to my kids, but not all parents chose to make the efforts I make. Does not mean I support police injuring unruly students over disruptions! If they're that bad, suspend them -- expel them!
As far as the phone goes, most High School students nowadays pretty much need one to stay in touch with their parents. I know at least here, transportation to and from school more than warrants the necessity for high school kids to have phones. Couple that with the amounts of school shootings, bomb threats, school lockdowns, and the cacophony that has become our nation's schools, and I can definitely understand a 16 year old having a phone.
exactly
this school has a long history of gangs, violence, and drugs
there is a cop there FOR A REASON...he has probably had to deal with these ignorant thugs too long
she was given every chance to comply, by teacher, vice princ, principal, and finally the cop...all before she was forcibly taken
what was the cop supposed to do, walk away...call parent(s) that is most likely part of the problem...
she deserved to be TAKEN out of there...and expelled
the cop did over react a bit...maybe reassigned somewhere else as he obviously has had enough with these thugs and hood rats...
The cop may have a valid reason for being in the school, but there was no need for him to be in that classroom. Again, if we are going to arrest every teen for being an idiot/brat then we are going to need twice as many jails. There have been way to many stories of police using excessive force against students (remember that story of the special education child whose arms were brutally handcuffed behind his back?). There are real, legit reasons to use force against a student, in particular a student who is a threat to themselves or others. This was not this case by far.
As a side note, there is nothing from this situation that screams, "this girl is a thug hood rat". She was quiet, not swearing or being an actual nuisance. I had some troubled teen years where I acted up at times and was told to leave the class and I am far from being a thug or hood rat. This girl may have other troubles we don't know of.
Or she could just be your typical annoying teen, who knows?
If she my daughter chose to be defiant and chose not to leave the class when asked to do so, I would be OK with the outcome.
Then again, I did not give my child a phone and she would have chosen to not be defiant in a classroom.
No way I believe that out of a mother or father.
This student has an arm in a cast with neck and back injuries, probably will have back problems for a lifetime. So now you are on the hook for exorbitant doctor bills due to be okay with the outcome.
Never! If I'd be arrested for body slamming my own child, this man should also face an arrest for assault on a minor.
Everyone here, not my child. Well, never say never folks. You are not with your children 24/7 and don't know how they act when their parent isn't in eyes view. Even as you believe you raised them well.
I don't know for sure because there are lots of different reports out there that are confusing the timeline and what specifically happened.
However, there are several people posting here acting as they know for a fact what occurred and the exact timeline.
I think for about a week, some of the press was still reporting that Micheal Brown was shot in the back while on his knees with his hands up. On social media, that was the accepted fact for a few weeks. Of course, it turned out that wasn't what really happened.
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Handcuff and escort out would have worked just fine. Tackles and WWE moves were not necessary.
So, hypothetically, if a person refuses to comply and be handcuffed, should the cop just say, "Nothing I can do" and walk away?
She should have given the teacher the phone as she was told. She broke the rules of using the phone, she should face the consequences.
Let's see here:
1. If she followed the rules, the teacher wouldn't have asked for the phone.
2. If she would have handed over the phone, class could have continued.
3. If she would have went to the vice principal's office when told by the teacher, the vice principal wouldn't have had to come to the class.
4. If she obeyed the vice principal, the cops wouldn't have been called.
5. If she would have obeyed the officer, the confrontation wouldn't have escalated.
Do you see the trend here?
Over and over, she made the decision not to follow reasonable rules and requests. Her actions, over and over, drove this car over the cliff, and yet some people refuse to acknowledge she created, continued and escalated this problem until it got out of control.
Yes …
People got to school to learn … and that kid chose to learn the HARD way ...
I don't know for sure because there are lots of different reports out there that are confusing the timeline and what specifically happened.
However, there are several people posting here acting as they know for a fact what occurred and the exact timeline.
I think for about a week, some of the press was still reporting that Micheal Brown was shot in the back while on his knees with his hands up. On social media, that was the accepted fact for a few weeks. Of course, it turned out that wasn't what really happened.
I agree
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So, hypothetically, if a person refuses to comply and be handcuffed, should the cop just say, "Nothing I can do" and walk away?
You don't really need to "comply" to be handcuffed. Cops are trained to be able to restrain a person's arms enough to handcuff them, willingly or not. LOTS of people refuse to be handcuffed, but are cuffed regardless.
I would have cleared the room. I would have asked the teacher to continue his or her lesson in another classroom. Myself and the principal and school counselor would talk the kid down. Once calm she would be asked to come to the main office for pick up by parent. She would be subject to superintendent hearing.
That's how things were handled back when I went to school (I graduated in the early 00's). Yeah people will complain that it is disruptive to the other students but how is having a cop violently arresting a student a mere foot from you not disruptive? Another student could have gotten hurt from this cop's boneheaded move. Worse, if the girl had chosen to be violent and retaliate, other kids could have been put in danger. This school need to review their protocols in situations like this because nothing about this seemed correct.
You don't really need to "comply" to be handcuffed. Cops are trained to be able to restrain a person's arms enough to handcuff them, willingly or not. LOTS of people refuse to be handcuffed, but are cuffed regardless.
There is quite a difference between restraining an arm and putting in position to be cuffed. Without leverage it is extremely difficult to put a person's arms behind their back, even when it's a 16-year-old girl.
Think about trying to loosen a nut from a bolt by just holding it in the air. Without leverage, a nut that could easily be removed becomes extremely difficult.
This is why it is routine training for cops to get a person on the ground in order to cuff them. It provides a way to control their body and use leverage to get the arms behind the back.
It's very easy to say, "just cuff them" but very had to actually pull off if they are resisting.
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