Income tax (Congress, lobbyists, lobby, companies)

[KanniJay]

Originally Posted by Blue Grass Fever

How in the world are we paying income taxes on earned wages when it doesn't even align itself with the principles of the Constitution?


I've been doing some 'heavy' reading on the matter and was quite shocked at the stupidity of the matter. For better words, it was an insult like no other considering i'm a farmer/auto-worker.

How come this hasn't been abolished? ..

The politicians in Washington D.C. want to 'stimulate' the economy, they should start by abolishing the IRS and its "voluntary by compliance" method of collecting. In short, get rid of the income tax and you will stimulate the economy. (if D.C. is sincerely concerned about it, which i highly doubt!)

What are your thoughts and opinions on the income tax? (to wage earners)


Thanks! B.G.F.



"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth" - Albert Einstein

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth"
- John F. Kennedy

THEREFORE, we need to vote for RON PAUL!!!! That's too sad that only Obama and Hilary get the best media coverage because of whom support them finacially.

If people want that type of change that we have been longed for, RON PAUL would be the man for this job. ....

Anyhow, I'm sure if 70%, ok not even 70%, let's say 50% of Americans would stop paying income tax and start demanding for a reform, I guarantee you there would be a change. The problem is just the majority is misinformed, thinking that income tax pays for our nation standard that we have today, but that's wrong. I'm very sure if we demand to see a report of where our income tax has been used for, 90% of that is resting assured in someone's bank account.

[Blue Grass Fever]

It's a shame that lobbyists are today's robber barons dictating policy for a majority. That's why, in my opinion, that federal government's role needs to be reversed. You have to admit that the income tax is fueling way too much power for the federal government.

I say get rid of the income tax and let 'governmental-nature' take its course to back where it ought to be. Approach it like a free-market and let the system correct itself.

The founders really had the foresight for these kind of things when it came to the issues of the common people and government. That's why, to me at least, the Constitution ought to be followed more closely.

[GregW]

I does not seem like that many people have voted for Mr. Paul. I wonder why?

I disagree completely with abolishing the IRs. I think we should abolish existing tax laws and replace them all including Federal, State and Local taxes and tariffs with my "ALL INCOME FROM ALL SOURCES" single tax system. My system woud apply a steeply graduated tax (25 to 99.5%) on all personal and retained corporate income over five times the national mean. This is about $200,00 in todays money. Even illegal income would have to be listed or the revenuers would get you like they got John Dillenger back in the day.

The Federal government would set the tax rates based on the expected Federal expenditures for teh next tax year which would be covered by one half of the revenue while the other half was distributed to State and Local governments in proportion to thier population. How the State and Local governments spent the money would be determined by the appropriate legislature or town council.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by KanniJay

Anyhow, I'm sure if 70%, ok not even 70%, let's say 50% of Americans would stop paying income tax and start demanding for a reform, I guarantee you there would be a change. The problem is just the majority is misinformed, thinking that income tax pays for our nation standard that we have today, but that's wrong. I'm very sure if we demand to see a report of where our income tax has been used for, 90% of that is resting assured in someone's bank account.

I have some great news for you! The linked document will show how your tax money is allocated and spent. It might take you awhile to get through it, but you should find it helps enlighten you as to where the money goes:

Budget of the United States Government: Fiscal Year 2006 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/ - broken link)

[Greatday]

OK - I will admit, what I'm about to say is my Utopian view of things -

A) Everyone eligible to vote should register to vote, and then VOTE. Can you imagine what would happen if we had 100% voter turnout?

B) Every American should request a copy of the Federal Budget - you have a right to get it. Not a summary - the WHOLE DERN THING! Then, go through the budget - line by line - highlight the areas you question. Then, ask your Congressional Representative to EXPLAIN the line item.

C) Insist that the President be given a LINE ITEM VETO! Right now, the POTUS can either approve or veto the entire budget. No other CEO of any major business is so limited. By doing this, the Congress will have to EXPLAIN why these various pork barrel items are there - if the POTUS vetos a specific item - the Congress would have to vote to OVERIDE that specific item -

OK, I'll get my head out of the clouds

[odinloki1]

Originally Posted by TKramar

I think we should abolish government entirely, because part of our taxes goes to pay for their salaries, as well as the salaries of their staffs.

All right Marshall Law. Those with the biggest guns and the best aim can run the show woohoo!

It'll be like living in Darfur or some place where there are no laws!

The only problem with the income tax is that idiot Reagan cut the rates on the top brackets from 70% down to about 30%.

[odinloki1]

Originally Posted by Greatday

OK - I will admit, what I'm about to say is my Utopian view of things -

A) Everyone eligible to vote should register to vote, and then VOTE. Can you imagine what would happen if we had 100% voter turnout?

B) Every American should request a copy of the Federal Budget - you have a right to get it. Not a summary - the WHOLE DERN THING! Then, go through the budget - line by line - highlight the areas you question. Then, ask your Congressional Representative to EXPLAIN the line item.

C) Insist that the President be given a LINE ITEM VETO! Right now, the POTUS can either approve or veto the entire budget. No other CEO of any major business is so limited. By doing this, the Congress will have to EXPLAIN why these various pork barrel items are there - if the POTUS vetos a specific item - the Congress would have to vote to OVERIDE that specific item -

OK, I'll get my head out of the clouds

Go over the budget line by line...... when should I do this? During my 70 ours a week at work, or during my 12 credit hours of class so I can get ahead in this world?

Getting representatives to explain the items.....yeah I'll get my lobbyist to give me time with the representative to explain things.

I agree that the pork is a problem. Lobbyists are much worse though.

If you want to give the president the line item veto, then I want to eliminate lobbyists entirely.

Given lines at polls, unless you want to institute a law that allows workers to leave work to go to the polls or take the day off, I think you're a dreamer. Yes I know absentee ballots are available, but unfortunately there are too many other pressures in life (bills, work school family) to vote. If you REALLY want to get people voting give them the day off work or a 3 hour break provided they bring a verification back to work.

Of course companies would never allow that.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by odinloki1

Go over the budget line by line...... when should I do this? During my 70 ours a week at work, or during my 12 credit hours of class so I can get ahead in this world?

Getting representatives to explain the items.....yeah I'll get my lobbyist to give me time with the representative to explain things.

I agree that the pork is a problem. Lobbyists are much worse though.

If you want to give the president the line item veto, then I want to eliminate lobbyists entirely.

Given lines at polls, unless you want to institute a law that allows workers to leave work to go to the polls or take the day off, I think you're a dreamer. Yes I know absentee ballots are available, but unfortunately there are too many other pressures in life (bills, work school family) to vote. If you REALLY want to get people voting give them the day off work or a 3 hour break provided they bring a verification back to work.

Of course companies would never allow that.

First off, if you do not take the time to be FULLY informed on issues (such as the budget items), then, IMO, you should not complain - for, you would be complaining about something you know nothing about.

As for the line item veto: I have no problem with reducing the effectiveness of lobbyists. I will say however that lobbies such as AARP and those that represent individuals of a group, can, and do, serve a very useful purpose. I think what is more important though is, not so much eliminating lobbyists - but reduce, substantially, the economic contributions those lobby's can make to a politican. EVERYONE - individuals and business, have the right to be heard.

As for voting: If the number of voters increased, that would be able to be handled through increased absentee ballots, early voting (as many states now allow), increase the number of polling places and increased numbers of volunteers at the polling places. I'm not as pessimistic as you seem to be on this.

Getting your Member of Congress to respond? If they do not, get them replaced. They have an obligation to be responsive. Personally, my MOC's do respond - so much so that one of the members staff called me and said that my Congressmen wanted to meet with me - and that led to something else.

Don't be afraid to contract your member of Congress (or your State's representatives for that matter). They are ELECTED. They can be "un-elected" as well

Get involved - if you don't - don't complain

[GregW]

The lobbying system effectivly places a price barrier between the citizens and their representatives. This is a fundamental flaw in our Republic.

I agree that election day should be a holiday and if the employee wants to get paid for the holiday they must present a reciept from the Registrar. Not how or if they voted but just that they showed up at the polls.

Please support mt ONE TAX - ALL INCOME SYSTEM

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by GregW1

The lobbying system effectivly places a price barrier between the citizens and their representatives. This is a fundamental flaw in our Republic.

Then, work to reduce the financial contributions that lobbyists can make.

Lobbying is not, in and of itself, bad.