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Old 11-04-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Since the consensus explanation offered by warmers for sharp stratospheric cooling (now leveling off) at a time when the lower troposphere warmed (also now leveling off) defies the laws of thermodynamics, and since common sense tells me that CO2, if it is indeed capable of driving temperatures higher, would have more or less the same warming effect in the stratosphere that it does closer to the Earth`s surface, I decided to do a little digging around to see if I could find a better answer for why this phenomenon of a cooling stratosphere and warming lower troposphere has occurred.

Of course we know that CFCs and other chemicals introduced into the atmosphere caused a decline of ozone levels and that their being banned worldwide has allowed the ozone layer to begin recovering. We also can see that stratospheric cooling and its recent leveling off correspond to a rebound in ozone levels, but what Professor Lu at the University of Waterloo has theorized is that the now paused rise in surface temperatures is directly related to the now paused cooling of the stratosphere.


"Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are to blame for global warming since the 1970s and not carbon dioxide, according to new research from the University of Waterloo published in the International Journal of Modern Physics B this week.
CFCs are already known to deplete ozone, but in-depth statistical analysis now shows that CFCs are also the key driver in global climate change, rather than carbon dioxide emissions."

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/globa...ide-study-says

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And while correlation is not causation, this theory goes a long way to explain the apparent lack of any cause and effect connection between increased/decreased CO2 levels and surface temperature, the increase of surface temperatures throughout the industrial era and the pause in surface warming at a time when CO2 levels have increased.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So what you are saying is that global warming is coming from man made chemicals?
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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So what you are saying is that global warming is coming from man made chemicals?
No what the article is saying that any warming isn't coming from CO2.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:28 AM
 
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So what you are saying is that global warming is coming from man made chemicals?


"Came" would be more appropriate since the chemicals in question are now banned.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Yeah, right.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Thanks for posting. It makes a lot more sense. As the article says, carbon dioxide had been increasing for a long time before CFCs were introduced, yet the warming only came after the later.

But, gosh, I hope this doesn't prevent rich people from getting taxpayer-funded subsidies for solar panels, wind turbines, geothermal systems, electric cars, etc. That just wouldn't be fair. (sarcasm)
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Old 11-04-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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"Came" would be more appropriate since the chemicals in question are now banned.

what's banned in one place is still used in another..
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No what the article is saying that any warming isn't coming from CO2.
Okay, so it isn't coming from CO2, it is coming from CFCs, which are all man made. Or did you not know that?
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Old 11-04-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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"Came" would be more appropriate since the chemicals in question are now banned.
That doesn't change the fact that they are man made chemicals. So thanks for adding more evidence that global warming is man made.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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So.. the warmers are celebrating that global warming IS man made but they just have been blaming the wrong culprit and their solution to it would have no effect on it. That means the scientists and the majority and leaders they have so much faith in are wrong. Do the warmers realize that this means they have no clear understanding of the problem and have no scientific data to cling to?
What we COULD do is take another hard look at CFCs and stop the silly obsession over CO2. That wouldn't make the select few wealthier like they want and wouldn't make the targeted people poorer but it would help the environment. But since its all about money, I don't think the global warmers will get on board with that.
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