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Old 11-05-2015, 10:27 AM
 
Location: california
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Criminals are using stolen money to buy guns so where is it going to hurt them ?stupid.
NO,
The only real solution is to change the attitude in America about the right and responsibility of owning guns in stead of teaching people to be afraid of them , that is where the danger has been all along in accidental events.
Making people take personal responsibility for their actions has been the problem all along, and it is a failed liberal agenda avoiding personal responsibility.
People will always have differences and deal with those differences with what ever is at hand . guns bombs knives chemicals you name it.
It is the culturally immoral people willing to take action against others that are the problem, not the things.
And the whole world should not be disarmed because of the few, or a corrupt government looking to weaken the people they are suppose to be serving .
Dis arm your self and put a sign on your door "this is a gun free zone" please.
One more thing.
Europe is suffering with the influx of muslim and these are raping the women all over the place. some women are afraid to go out and are even coloring their hair to avoid rape .
With the heavy influx of illegals here, the situation is going to be similar soon enough .
Pay attention to what's going on in the world , it is not a safe place .

 
Old 11-05-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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There are many rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Some not so relevant like back when the Bill of Rights was added, but either way, taking people's rights away is objectionable, yes. Reasoned compromise to balance the importance of those rights with the challenges of modern day society is necessary nevertheless. The striving toward that ideal balance is nothing new and no right we enjoy is immune. Balance is key. Compromise a must.


why sure thing.

if you want to compromise, then here it is. since democrats and anti-gun jerks like to always get their way and never want to compromise at all, then get rid of all federal law concerning the ban, importation or use of any firearm or accoutrement, and also get rid of the batfe and its employees (fire them), then make all elites including politicians, billionaires, and hollywood nutbags follow any edicts that come down from on high, then maybe we can talk.

until that happens, all you are doing is talking out your butt.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: CT
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There are many rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Some not so relevant like back when the Bill of Rights was added, but either way, taking people's rights away is objectionable, yes. Reasoned compromise to balance the importance of those rights with the challenges of modern day society is necessary nevertheless. The striving toward that ideal balance is nothing new and no right we enjoy is immune. Balance is key. Compromise a must.
Now, aren't you sorry you opened that box and looked inside? There is NO compromise, other solutions will need to be found. The ONLY way the government will remove guns from the citizens is to kill them and take the gun.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Now, aren't you sorry you opened that box and looked inside? There is NO compromise, other solutions will need to be found. The ONLY way the government will remove guns from the citizens is to kill them and take the gun.


and start a war in the process.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There would be some who would, but the majority are still going to buy stolen guns off the street, as they always have..
C and R requires no ID, no checks, no FFL fees, no waiting periods and no serial numbers to enter into a DB. Cash and carry
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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I have never lived in fear of attack either, but I carry virtually everywhere I go. I am 64 and have owned firearms since I was 9 and have never had an accidental discharge. The only discharge I have ever had, my finger was on the trigger. While I understand what you are saying, read the headlines. Attacks are occurring now in places we never would have imagined in the past. You just simply don't know anymore.
Well, I agree that we can be attacked anywhere but in the situations I've experienced carrying a gun would not have made a difference.

Years ago I did get jumped at Little League by a guy who thought I shouldn't have pulled his son, despite the fact that the boy had walked six batters in a row and had started crying on the mound. The father came at me from behind and we battled it out for 30 seconds or so until I could get him off of me. Some other folks jumped in and we quickly got things under control. However, even if I'd been carrying I wouldn't have seen him coming and I wouldn't have shot him anyway.

If I'd had a gun, it's possible he could have gotten it away from me or it might have been accidentally fired in the struggle. Either he or I or some child or other bystander could have been hit. Although I was mad as a hornet, I didn't and still don't believe situations like that are worth escalating to deadly force.

That has been typical of my experience, at least.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Well, I agree that we can be attacked anywhere but in the situations I've experienced carrying a gun would not have made a difference.

Years ago I did get jumped at Little League by a guy who thought I shouldn't have pulled his son, despite the fact that the boy had walked six batters in a row and had started crying on the mound. The father came at me from behind and we battled it out for 30 seconds or so until I could get him off of me. Some other folks jumped in and we quickly got things under control. However, even if I'd been carrying I wouldn't have seen him coming and I wouldn't have shot him anyway.

If I'd had a gun, it's possible he could have gotten it away from me or it might have been accidentally fired in the struggle. Either he or I or some child or other bystander could have been hit. Although I was mad as a hornet, I didn't and still don't believe situations like that are worth escalating to deadly force.

That has been typical of my experience, at least.
I understand your point, but as for me, I am no longer involved in Little League. My children have children that have children.. I am old enough that a physical altercation will not end well for me. If I were to double up my fist and hit someone in the face, my hand would receive more damage than their face at this point. That said, I have no intention of being a victim. I am and will remain armed. If someone is stupid enough to start a fight with me, I am stupid enough to shoot them rather than to risk my life or my physical well being.
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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You can make statistics say anything, as shown by the "F" states post on the first page. Here's a clue -

"The 10 states with the lowest homicide rates are: North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts and Oregon.
The number of homicides that occurred in the first three states were so low that their death rates were zero. Wyoming is an interesting case, because it has one of the highest firearm death rates but a homicide rate of zero."
 
Old 11-05-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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They are already restricted in some instances. You cannot threaten the President, publish porn and display it anywhere, or show whatever you feel like on TV. Many states have introduced voter ID laws also. No right is absolute, only in the minds of ideologues who talk of "freedom" as though it means doing whatever one wants, wherever one wants, however one wants without consequence.
OK,

So because some people break these laws, such as yelling fire in a crowded theater.....

I propose that more "common sense" restrictions on the first amendment are necessary.

How about a "first amendment free" zones anywheres near a movie theater?

Or maybe we should just limit "high capacity" sentences to 10 words or less?
 
Old 11-05-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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I understand your point, but as for me, I am no longer involved in Little League. My children have children that have children.. I am old enough that a physical altercation will not end well for me. If I were to double up my fist and hit someone in the face, my hand would receive more damage than their face at this point. That said, I have no intention of being a victim. I am and will remain armed. If someone is stupid enough to start a fight with me, I am stupid enough to shoot them rather than to risk my life or my physical well being.
I'm a grandparent, too, but wouldn't shoot anybody over something like that. In this situation there wouldn't have been any opportunity for it anyway.

I guess I am lucky, though. Although old I can still be pretty stout if the occasion calls for it.
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