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Which is my point, defense spending is not contained within the DOD, therefore your chart was not a meaningful depiction of defense spending.
Why would I do that
So you can't. Gotcha. In that case I will remain with my original process that things you believe in are DoD in origin and in non DoD expenditures. Likewise non-DoD expenditures are in the budget:
Some Non-Defense Programs Funded by the Defense Department In Fiscal 1995 Non-Environmental Programs Rifle Practice $2,544,000 Summer Olympics $14,400,000 Special Olympics $3,000,000 50th Anniversary of WWII $5,000,000 Memorial Day and July 4th Concerts $950,000 LA Youth Programs $10,000,000 Mentor Protege Program $30,000,000 Electric Vehicles $15,000,000
Natural Gas Vehicles $10,000,000 Breast Cancer Research $150,000,000 Prostate Cancer Research $4,250,000
Women's Health Research $40,000,000
Ovarian Cancer Research $7,500,000 Cell Regulation Research $2,000,000 Mammography Research $2,000,000 Coastal Cancer Control Program $5,000,000 Osteoporosis $5,000,000 Lyme Disease Research $500,000 Bone Marrow Research $34,000,000 Mammography Development $2,000,000 Breast Cancer Center $5,000,000 AIDS Research $33,410,000 Ranch Hand II Epidemiology Study $3,160,000 Medical Free Electron Laser $25,938,000 Cooperative DODNA Medical Research $50,000,000 Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility $20,000,000 Project Plowshares $5,000,000 End Item Industrial Preparedness $35,820,000 Industrial Preparedness $191,785,000 Joint Seismic Program $12,000,000
National Airspace System Plan $30,980,000 Historically Black Colleges & Universities $25,000,000 Experimental Evaluation of Major Innovative Technology $683,971,000 Maritime Technology Office $12,000,000 Advanced Concepts Technology Demonstration $32,100,000 High Performance Computing Modernization Program $73,048,000 Consolidated DOD Software Initiative $27,500,000
Kaho'olawe Island Trust Fund $50,000,000 Native American Environmental Programs $8,000,000 Defense Reinvestment $623,700,00010 Materials and Electronics Technology $260,853,000 Manufacturing Technology $382,629,000 Computing Systems & Communication Technology $400,912,000 Semiconductor Manufacturing Technology $90,000,000 Advanced Simulation $30,937,000 Small Business Innovative Research $161,000,000 Office of Economic Adjustment $39,127,000 Junior ROTC $59,800,000 National Guard Youth Opportunity Pilot Program $71,400,000 Personnel Assistance Programs $1,040,573,000
EnvironmenW Programs (includes Environmental Restoration, BRAC Restoration, Environmental Compliance, Environmental Conservation, Pollution Prevention, and Environmental Technology) $5,267,400,00011
Look, if you want to have a conversation have an educated one.
Since we have more than enough food for everyone, it's pretty dumb to let anyone starve. Same with other basic services.
People shouldn't act as if they made it all by themselves by pulling on their own bootstraps. No one does that anymore. Maybe off-the-grid subsistence farmers. Maybe Tarzan or George of the Jungle. Everyone else benefits from being part of civilization, and we all benefit from keeping the poorest from falling off completely.
It's not as if those who are well off are working so much harder than poor people who live paycheck to paycheck, anyway.
This is not to say that some sort of commie idea like a planned economy is a viable solution. We've seen time and time again that those ideas always fail. I'm not sure what the ideal economic system is; we probably haven't found it yet. However, it's pretty safe to say that the vast area in-between Soviet or Maoist ridiculously and the free-for-all gilded age is better than either extreme.
Well-run social programs that keep our poor from starving or dying in the streets are a good thing. If you're the sort of person who would refuse to give a starving man a sandwich because you "earned" it and the starving man did not, and then you cried "Theft!" when Robin Hood took the sandwich from you to give to the starving man, well, then perhaps you need to rethink a few things.
I agree, but whenever a stipulation or a push to get people working to earn welfare you get the cries of "Racism" or "Elitist" or "right wing nutjobs" or any other nonsense posted.
And Robin Hood in that case is wrong. Hood stole from a rich monarch who was stealing from the people to fund his luxury and prevent the return of the rightful King of England. Not sandwiches from a person trying to eat. That's just outright stealing.
Sorry if I want people to see what it's like to earn a living before they get a check deposited in their. When 90% or so don't manage the number of hours I worked while going to school full time I get annoyed.
I agree, but whenever a stipulation or a push to get people working to earn welfare you get the cries of "Racism" or "Elitist" or "right wing nutjobs" or any other nonsense posted.
And Robin Hood in that case is wrong. Hood stole from a rich monarch who was stealing from the people to fund his luxury and prevent the return of the rightful King of England. Not sandwiches from a person trying to eat. That's just outright stealing.
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Maybe in the Errol Flynn film but there was no real 'Robin Hood'
- though he was maybe one of the first figures used to demonstrate income inequality
You suspect that some posters here have the answer?
I mean, if the people doing these things don't have an answer, why ask people who, most likely, have never been in that situation?
If you are 'from the projects' you should already know the answer.
You probably aren't from a neighborhood anything like mine, so spare me the sarcasm. Just because I use proper grammar and diction doesn't mean I had a fantastic upbringing. Either answer the question with a logical response, or ignore it and move on.
I actually have family members in this predicament and when I ask them, the conversation either turns hostile or I hear a dozen ionos (I don't know). So it couldn't hurt to come on CD and see. The reason I'm from the projects and don't understand the answer is because I obviously don't think like them, smarty pants. I grew up around gangs, so I automatically know gang mentality? I grew up around drugs, so I understand addict rationale? Weak.
Maybe in the Errol Flynn film but there was no real 'Robin Hood'
- though he was maybe one of the first figures used to demonstrate income inequality
Uhh no. Historic accounts have nothing to do with "income inequality" (not that you can define that), it had to do upheaval of tyranny by taking up arms against the corrupt and protecting those whom government preys upon going back about 700 years IIRC. The romanticized versions like Errol Flynn's Robin Hood didn't come until much later.
You probably aren't from a neighborhood anything like mine, so spare me the sarcasm. Just because I use proper grammar and diction doesn't mean I had a fantastic upbringing. Either answer the question with a logical response, or ignore it and move on.
I actually have family members in this predicament and when I ask them, the conversation either turns hostile or I hear a dozen ionos (I don't know). So it couldn't hurt to come on CD and see. The reason I'm from the projects and don't understand the answer is because I obviously don't think like them, smarty pants. I grew up around gangs, so I automatically know gang mentality? I grew up around drugs, so I understand addict rationale? Weak.
Oh, I grew up poor.
My point was, your questioning people who do not (I'm assuming) have children they can't 'afford' is akin to asking someone to critique a book they've never read or a movie they've never seen.
BTW, I loved being called 'smarty pants'! Haven't heard that phrase in a long time! LOL
I agree, but whenever a stipulation or a push to get people working to earn welfare you get the cries of "Racism" or "Elitist" or "right wing nutjobs" or any other nonsense posted.
And Robin Hood in that case is wrong. Hood stole from a rich monarch who was stealing from the people to fund his luxury and prevent the return of the rightful King of England. Not sandwiches from a person trying to eat. That's just outright stealing.
Sorry if I want people to see what it's like to earn a living before they get a check deposited in their. When 90% or so don't manage the number of hours I worked while going to school full time I get annoyed.
Eh, it would be nice if there were some really easy way to exchange labor for money, but it's not always so simple.
The last time I was without a job for more than a couple of weeks, I was able to take advantage of my unemployment insurance (hey, I paid into the system, so it's perfectly fair to get the benefit of having done so!), and that's how I was able to eat and pay rent on a small room until I got on my feet. I have to wonder how someone without prior experience or at least some relatives to sponge off of could have survived, though.
I'm not sure why we focus so much on poor people who might be taking advantage of the system, though (even if they are, they still aren't living well, and most are just doing whatever they can to get by). If we're going to go with Puritan work ethic arguments (I don't really have a problem with that!), then we could focus just as much rage on the "idle rich" who do nothing but still live in luxury.
I'm not sure my version of Robin Hood is entirely wrong, either, provided he just makes sure that people who have more than enough share with the people who don't have anything. I guess a better illustration would have been if I have ten sandwiches, some poor person has none, and I don't want to let the poor person have one of my sandwiches.
I mean, I'm not super wealthy by American standards, but I still live better than 99% of historical kings. I eat whatever I want, I live in a building that gets warmer and cooler when I tell it to do so, I have a small menagerie in my home, I grow whatever I want in my yard, and I program robots to do my actual work for me while I spend my day drinking tea and eating snacks. And I'm well paid for living this lifestyle. I don't have any right to complain if some tiny portion of my paycheck (I'm sure it's less than 5%) goes to the less fortunate, and I'd certainly be kind of a bad person if I turned into one of those types raving about how all taxation is theft.
So many people these days seem to think everyone is owed a check, a house, food, healthcare, a phone, and college. Can anybody explain why this is? Can anyone explain why a person should receive resources which far exceed their worth to society?
This is what the PC liberals have created. Depend on the government for everything, you are a poor victim and we will help you. Society in the US has become lazy, they would rather depend on the government for free handouts instead of working to better themselves and being independent.
My point was, your questioning people who do not (I'm assuming) have children they can't 'afford' is akin to asking someone to critique a book they've never read or a movie they've never seen.
BTW, I loved being called 'smarty pants'! Haven't heard that phrase in a long time! LOL
So since you understand that environment (I'm assuming), and since we're not on the same page as far as rationale is concerned, then deductive reasoning would lead me to believe you know the answer to this question. Do you mind enlightening me?
In that case I will remain with my original process that things you believe in are DoD in origin and in non DoD expenditures.
in english plz
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Likewise non-DoD expenditures are in the budget:
Some Non-Defense Programs Funded by the Defense Department In Fiscal 1995 Non-Environmental Programs Rifle Practice $2,544,000 Summer Olympics $14,400,000 Special Olympics $3,000,000 50th Anniversary of WWII $5,000,000 Memorial Day and July 4th Concerts $950,000 LA Youth Programs $10,000,000 Mentor Protege Program $30,000,000 Electric Vehicles $15,000,000
Natural Gas Vehicles $10,000,000 Breast Cancer Research $150,000,000 Prostate Cancer Research $4,250,000
Women's Health Research $40,000,000
Ovarian Cancer Research $7,500,000 Cell Regulation Research $2,000,000 Mammography Research $2,000,000 Coastal Cancer Control Program $5,000,000 Osteoporosis $5,000,000 Lyme Disease Research $500,000 Bone Marrow Research $34,000,000 Mammography Development $2,000,000 Breast Cancer Center $5,000,000 AIDS Research $33,410,000 Ranch Hand II Epidemiology Study $3,160,000 Medical Free Electron Laser $25,938,000 Cooperative DODNA Medical Research $50,000,000 Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility $20,000,000 Project Plowshares $5,000,000 End Item Industrial Preparedness $35,820,000 Industrial Preparedness $191,785,000 Joint Seismic Program $12,000,000
National Airspace System Plan $30,980,000 Historically Black Colleges & Universities $25,000,000 Experimental Evaluation of Major Innovative Technology $683,971,000 Maritime Technology Office $12,000,000 Advanced Concepts Technology Demonstration $32,100,000 High Performance Computing Modernization Program $73,048,000 Consolidated DOD Software Initiative $27,500,000
Kaho'olawe Island Trust Fund $50,000,000 Native American Environmental Programs $8,000,000 Defense Reinvestment $623,700,00010 Materials and Electronics Technology $260,853,000 Manufacturing Technology $382,629,000 Computing Systems & Communication Technology $400,912,000 Semiconductor Manufacturing Technology $90,000,000 Advanced Simulation $30,937,000 Small Business Innovative Research $161,000,000 Office of Economic Adjustment $39,127,000 Junior ROTC $59,800,000 National Guard Youth Opportunity Pilot Program $71,400,000 Personnel Assistance Programs $1,040,573,000
EnvironmenW Programs (includes Environmental Restoration, BRAC Restoration, Environmental Compliance, Environmental Conservation, Pollution Prevention, and Environmental Technology) $5,267,400,00011
I cannot understand why you just posted a list of things that aren't in the DoD budget. It is almost as if you've forgotten what your point was in the first place.
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Look, if you want to have a conversation have an educated one.
Oh jesus the irony
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Haven't heard that phrase in a long time! 
LOL
