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I've heard this line before and do you know why I don't like: It's broad a ****. Literally, anything can be secular. To say someone killed for a secular reason is really just saying they killed for a non-religion one. Do you see how unhelpful it is to point to the Nazis and Soviets in your childish attempt to hide the fact that religion creates more violence than anything?
Look at Hitler. Sure, what he was doing was by definition secular. He was not doing it to appease a supreme being. But was he doing it in the name of not doing it in a supreme being? To label it as secular is basically ignoring every other factor, because when you consider those factors, it being secular becomes extremely unimportant.
Communism was actively atheist in many cases. Also if ideologies like fascism killed for irreligious reasons, and combined with communism killed many more people than actively religious ideologies did, then that would suggest that the problem is not the religious nature of an ideology, but rather the requirement of universal compliance with an ideology that is the problem. Some ideologies require everybody to be all in if they are going to work, and those ideologies are always going to be more aggressive and oppressive by their very nature. That was a factor in many religious ideologies of the past, but in those periods of time almost every ideology was religious in nature. In modern times we have experimented with secular and actively atheist ideologies and have found the same result, if not worse in some cases.
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Less altrusitic? Rigourous study I'm sure, next they'll look at how Muslim women are treated in their religion and they can give us a list of things like, "Number 17 will shock you!".
I've heard this line before and do you know why I don't like: It's broad a ****. Literally, anything can be secular. To say someone killed for a secular reason is really just saying they killed for a non-religion one. Do you see how unhelpful it is to point to the Nazis and Soviets in your childish attempt to hide the fact that religion creates more violence than anything?
Look at Hitler. Sure, what he was doing was by definition secular. He was not doing it to appease a supreme being. But was he doing it in the name of not doing it in a supreme being? To label it as secular is basically ignoring every other factor, because when you consider those factors, it being secular becomes extremely unimportant.
If I were you, I wouldn't dig myself in any deeper. If anything can be secular, then "anything" can be religious as well.
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It certainly wouldn't be enough to get the study funded.
I've heard this line before and do you know why I don't like: It's broad a ****. Literally, anything can be secular. To say someone killed for a secular reason is really just saying they killed for a non-religion one. Do you see how unhelpful it is to point to the Nazis and Soviets in your childish attempt to hide the fact that religion creates more violence than anything?
Look at Hitler. Sure, what he was doing was by definition secular. He was not doing it to appease a supreme being. But was he doing it in the name of not doing it in a supreme being? To label it as secular is basically ignoring every other factor, because when you consider those factors, it being secular becomes extremely unimportant.
The reason this argument has merit is because many of these countries where mass genocide took place in the 20th century were places that were not only secular, but organized religion was actively and violently purged from their countries.
- All religion was banned by the Khmer Rouge. Anyone found practicing religion was executed. 2 million people died under their rule.
- Stalin's Soviet Union had a 20-year-long anti-religion campaign. 85,000 priests were executed in a single year. The number of Orthodox churches dropped from 30,000 to 500 in a decade. The Holomodor claimed roughly as many lives as the Holocaust.
These 'secular' regimes weren't simply secular, they were anti-religion. The greatest atrocities of the 20th century occurred in places where religion was oppressed or banned.
Paired comparisons (corrected for family-wise error) showed that Christian children (M sharing = 3.33, SD = 2.46) did not differ in their altruism from Muslims (M sharing = 3.20, SD = 2.24);however,both were significantly less altruistic than non-religious children
Above is what the study indicated. Muslim and Christian were not different in regards to their overall altruism. Non-religious/secular children were MORE altrustic compared to Muslim and Christian children.
Above is what the study indicated. Muslim and Christian were not different in regards to their overall altruism. Non-religious/secular children were MORE altrustic compared to Muslim and Christian children.
Yes, but of the two, the study indicates that Muslims were worse than Christians.
Isn't that what the study indicates?
No, the study indicates that children from secular or humanist families were more altruistic than those from religious families. Or, one could say that religion negatively affects children's altruism. The point is religion. Not one particular religion.
It was the secular adult Hitler that murdered millions.
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[SIZE=-1]In his book, Mein Kampf [/SIZE]Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture.
Hitler thought he was a Christian, even if you dont.
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