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Old 11-11-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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You asked what evidence the OP's post provided that it's working in Canada. He made many good points, but I was referring specifically to Canada's control or limiting the price of meds and care.
What evidence did he provide in his post?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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the united states successfully set price controls on agriculture for most of the 20th century.
How has it been done? Are you talking about through subsidies, paying people not to plant and purchasing of excess crops?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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What evidence did he provide in his post?
you keep beating the 'evidence' drum, but

1. the existence of a high-quality system in Canada is evidence enough.
2. you just made a long post describing a "fix", and provided no evidence to support your position, either.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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How has it been done?
http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/1758606/aib485a.pdf
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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you keep beating the 'evidence' drum, but

1. the existence of a high-quality system in Canada is evidence enough.
Not according to this:

'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth*|*Nadeem Esmail

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2. you just made a long post describing a "fix", and provided no evidence to support your position, either.
Fair enough. Start with one part of my fix that you disagree with and we can debate it and I'll provide evidence that I feel backs it up and you can provide evidence that it wouldn't.

Which point do you want to start with first?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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What evidence did he provide in his post?
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Why nobody is pushing for this, I have no idea.

Why don't they control medical costs by controlling prices? That's what they do in Canada and many other countries - they have a massive price list of what hospitals and doctors can charge, and that's what they get paid. Costs aren't allowed to increase more than the rate of inflation. Perhaps that's why Canada spends so much less on medical care per capita than we do.

If a hospital in City X charges $8000 for a procedure that a hospital in City Y charges $30,000, than there's NO reason ANY hospital should be allowed to charge more than $8000 for that procedure. The government should find out what the cheapest cost to do any and all medical procedures in the US, and use this for the basis of the "Medical Price List" - and force the entire country to adhere to this.

No health care "reform" is ever gonna work unless you have price controls. Plain and simple. Why don't more people recognize this?
What exactly is over your head here???

or maybe you think he's lying??

nothing he says here is speculation. Hence it is EVIDENCE that this works in other countries.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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wow, so you're going with a blog from huff post as your defense. excellent
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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It discusses a whole bunch of ways which did include some price caps, but that was a very small component.

It doesn't say in there the direct impact of just the price caps, which they refer to as "price ratio provision".

So, what part did the price ratio provision play in the move from family farms to corporate farms, how much influence did it cause for the need of subsidies and how much did it play in the role of Conservation Reserve Program?

What I see is a lot of tax money going to farms, mostly corporate, to offset the price ratio provisions.

If I tell you I'm going to reduce the cost of a car from $30,000 to $15,000 through a price cap but you'll need to pay $15,000 in taxes to subsidize the car company, is there really a price reduction?

Sure, we did, in a way, cap agriculture prices, but we offset the costs to the farmers through subsidies and other means paid for through tax dollars. Sorry, but I just don't see how you can call that a success.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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What exactly is over your head here???

or maybe you think he's lying??

nothing he says here is speculation. Hence it is EVIDENCE that this works in other countries.
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wow, so you're going with a blog from huff post as your defense. excellent
That piece in the Huffington Post gives a lot more data than the OP. Do you deny this?

What data in that article is wrong, btw?
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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50% shared government controlled pharmaceutical industry, which lowers cost, break monopolies, and make medication easily accessible. In addition to, lower heakth insurance cost lower state/government lower in cost lower numbers on medicare. Increase funding and fix medicare. Impose a state tax that is a health care tax that goes to hospital's to assist with staffing number's and medical supplies to provide adequate care.

Cap cost of procedures and government regulate insurances to have more expansive cost of coverage to lessen the blow on patient's.
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