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Old 11-13-2015, 07:03 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I prefer a 10 ga to the chest with 00 buckshot. You can create art with the splatter.

Yep. I was always told to shoot center mass... a better chance of hitting your target.

 
Old 11-13-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Yep. I was always told to shoot center mass... a better chance of hitting your target.
Yep. Center mass. Shoot to stop, not necessarily to kill.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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I prefer a 10 ga to the chest with 00 buckshot. You can create art with the splatter.
If I had been drinking when I read this post, it would have gone all aver my monitor I laughed so hard.

But a very interesting thing, a civilian is not allowed to buy rubber buckshot, that is only for Law enforcement or Military. So the basic rule of thumb is I have to buy hunting grade buckshot which will most likely kill when hitting a target to defend myself, but I can not buy less than lethal buckshot to use for defense, if I wished to just stop the threat to myself or family instead of having to kill the person; makes no sense to me.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Breastfeeding mother wounded in home invasion shootout | On Air Videos | Fox News

And defended her family.

Progressives want you to wait for dispatch. Or want you to believe violation won't happen anymore because this is contemporary civilization and science wins and it's the future now and we have self-driving cars.

The entire progressive movement is starting to melt down. With all this uber-nonsense the students are doing, professors calling for violence, more and more incidents like this proving that gun ownership lowers/foils crime... and on and on and on.

People are finally waking up from the political comas they've been in.




At least that's how I choose to remain optimistic about all this crap.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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She should have just called the police. Oh, wait, they're all racists bad guys now.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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I'm not a great fan of guns. But I concede that they are a necessary evil in a society where criminals have them.

I wouldn't call to ban guns, but I will call for better training at them. And most importantly: keeping them away from kids. We should be more Canadian/Swiss about them. They have more guns per head than we do, but less accidents and violent crime.
Maybe we need to teach more responsibility to those who are careless with them.
Responsibility lies with the individual. Irresponsibility has consequences.

Let the individual pay, not collective society.

Who is "we?"
 
Old 11-14-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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She should have just called the police. Oh, wait, they're all racists bad guys now.
They would have been there in time to investigate her death.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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You can call me a leftistOK, while it's not entirely accurate. I prefer to call myself liberal in the European sense, freedom for everyone, religion for nobody and economy as the key to prosperity.So a socialist?
I'm not a great fan of guns. But I concede that they are a necessary evil in a society where criminals have them.Or a disparity in size, sex, race, and ability.

I wouldn't call to ban guns, but I will call for better training at them. Training how? Classroom, range, or whatever? Who is paying for this? And most importantly: keeping them away from kidsDefine "child" Are we using the Brady Bunch, because that is up to 21 years old. If we are talking about my 4 year old, I would agree.. We should be more Canadian/Swiss about them. They have more guns per head than we do, but less accidents and violent crime. You couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe we need to teach more responsibility to those who are careless with them.One could say that about procreation, driving, voting, and everything else.
You seem to be on a track, but don't know where you are going. We have the #1 highest rate of private ownership in the world. Period. We have more guns in private hands then in the hands of just about every active member of every army in the world. Our negative rate of firearms misuse (crime, but also including accidents and suicides) is somewhere around 0.087% Modern medicine doesn't have that rate. We are also on the track to reduced gun rates despite almost every state in the Union now being Shall-issue for concealed carry and having over 30 states being constitutional open carry. This year we will have 7 states that have concealed carry with NO PERMIT.

As far as training:

I like training. But I'm not paying for it. I'm not sitting in a classroom for it. My training started with family, went into Boy Scouts, and I continue to learn on my own and from other shooters. I learn different holds, points of aim, dopes, movement by watching videos on YouTube and from people I shoot with on the range. This is passed on to the next people I meet and are willing to learn and my family who learns from me. Telling me that I need to get a certificate will occur after we do the same for voting rights.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Don't mess with a Mother.

And when you shoot, shoot 'em in the face!
Face is too easy to miss: center mass.
 
Old 11-15-2015, 11:22 PM
 
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You seem to be on a track, but don't know where you are going. We have the #1 highest rate of private ownership in the world. Period. We have more guns in private hands then in the hands of just about every active member of every army in the world. Our negative rate of firearms misuse (crime, but also including accidents and suicides) is somewhere around 0.087% Modern medicine doesn't have that rate. We are also on the track to reduced gun rates despite almost every state in the Union now being Shall-issue for concealed carry and having over 30 states being constitutional open carry. This year we will have 7 states that have concealed carry with NO PERMIT.

As far as training:

I like training. But I'm not paying for it. I'm not sitting in a classroom for it. My training started with family, went into Boy Scouts, and I continue to learn on my own and from other shooters. I learn different holds, points of aim, dopes, movement by watching videos on YouTube and from people I shoot with on the range. This is passed on to the next people I meet and are willing to learn and my family who learns from me. Telling me that I need to get a certificate will occur after we do the same for voting rights.
I agree with you, but we need to see the hard truth. We are experiencing 12.000 intentional homicides every year, at a rate that is at par with Uzbekistan, higher than Belarus and Kosovo.
Our murder rate is 6 times higher than the average European country. Every year, there are 200.000 reported firearm injuries.

I'm not saying that is the fault of us having so much guns. there are a lot of factors that need to be taken into account.

What I do mean is that we need to be more responsible with guns. By 'we', I don't mean you specifically, who seems to be well trained and responsible in the use of firearms. By 'we', I mean the society.

I think that teaching kids to shoot in schools wouldn't be a bad thing. Those who have been taught by their parents will have an advantage. Those who didn't might learn some valuable lessons.
They teach basic firearm handling and maintenance in Russian schools. Every 14 y.o. can operate, maintain and shoot an AK - 47. I'd say that's a good thing.
I also think we need to be more strict about who is eligible to own guns. Guys like you with a stable home, a decent look on life shouldn't be barred from owning weapons. But the street thug with low hanging pants handling his firearm sideways should be.

In my opinion, we should have a kind of regulation that says: "Everybody can have all the guns they want, but screw up once and you lose that right".

So it's very simple. If you are a responsible American, keeping your firearms well maintained in the appropriate location, away from irresponsible use, I'd say: Go ahead, have all the guns you want. If you are a drunk, a drug addict, a criminal or a bad parent: you can not own guns.

I want gun registration. Not to know who has guns, but to be sure that those who can't, don't. I'm perfectly fine to have that registration done by another body than the government.

By the way: I'm not in any way a socialist. European liberals are our republicans, without the religion and the social conservatism. So call me a socially progressive but economically conservative. Free love, free to do whatever as long as it doesn't encroach on other's freedom, free entrepreneurship and no religion in political affairs.
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