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Old 11-15-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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That's fine but how many Innocents have to die, be raped or tortured by the hord while they are killing each other
If you're not there while they're killing each other, you don't have to worry about it.

The problem is, you WANT to be there.
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:27 PM
 
Location: USA
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I cannot understand, if he is on our side, why he would do such a thing.



(When you accept that he's not on our side,
everything he does makes perfect sense.)
Great point? When you only have the backing of 10% of the population on this issue you are in the wrong, and you are a fool.
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:54 PM
 
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Great point? When you only have the backing of 10% of the population on this issue you are in the wrong, and you are a fool.
Oh look! Someone has talked about reality and facts! Lets just claim that most of us think those things are wrong, and state he is a fool. I mean, don't let reality get in the way of people tirades.

Sigh.
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:55 PM
 
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That's fine but how many Innocents have to die, be raped or tortured by the hord while they are killing each other
And the alternative? These ideologies are so ingrained in the psyche of the people in that region that intervention cannot defeat it...in a matter of fact, it is the worse thing we can do. The ONLY thing that can unite all Wahhabist-Qutbist fighters is fighting a non-Muslim enemy like the US. As long as we stay out of it they are divided and will destroy one another until eventually they wear themselves out.


Yep, innocent people will die. The only man who could have prevented that from happening is now dead, hung because he was a "tyrant". Yep, Saddam wasn't that bad in hindsight. And as bad as he was, he was necessary to keep the "country" from falling apart.


Saddam was to Iraq and Syria what Tito was to Yugoslavia: a strongman, but with him out, chaos is in.

And like Yugoslavia this will probably end in a few years with the region broken into smaller nations. The only thing a US presence could do is make things worse.

Look at it this way: did Britain stop Americans from killing each other in the Civil War? No. They would have made that conflict worse too.
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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They were slated for release in 2010, they have not been charged with a crime.

Releasing them was correct.
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
And who could argue with what is reason.
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Old 11-16-2015, 03:17 PM
 
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Oh look! Someone has talked about reality and facts! Lets just claim that most of us think those things are wrong, and state he is a fool. I mean, don't let reality get in the way of people tirades.

Sigh.
Reality? Guess your in a very small minority

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post41958270

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-refugees.html

And outside of here:

http://wqad.com/2015/11/16/poll-shou...fugees-or-not/

http://kfyo.com/should-texas-refuse-...refugees-poll/

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Old 11-16-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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And the alternative? These ideologies are so ingrained in the psyche of the people in that region that intervention cannot defeat it...in a matter of fact, it is the worse thing we can do. The ONLY thing that can unite all Wahhabist-Qutbist fighters is fighting a non-Muslim enemy like the US. As long as we stay out of it they are divided and will destroy one another until eventually they wear themselves out.


Yep, innocent people will die. The only man who could have prevented that from happening is now dead, hung because he was a "tyrant". Yep, Saddam wasn't that bad in hindsight. And as bad as he was, he was necessary to keep the "country" from falling apart.


Saddam was to Iraq and Syria what Tito was to Yugoslavia: a strongman, but with him out, chaos is in.

And like Yugoslavia this will probably end in a few years with the region broken into smaller nations. The only thing a US presence could do is make things worse.

Look at it this way: did Britain stop Americans from killing each other in the Civil War? No. They would have made that conflict worse too.

Good Analogies, but in the case of Yugoslavia we did get involved.
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Old 11-16-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh boy a poll from CD and a Texas radio station now there's a representative vote.
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