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Old 11-17-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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They aren't doing anything illegal, so why wouldn't they report their income? That is ridiculous.

It'd be as simple as setting a limit on sales.

If you sell over X many firearms you are no longer a "private seller" who is exempt from the background check provisions.
That would require the ATF to actually issue ffl licenses to non businesses like was done in the 70's to early 90's. Of course Clinton stopped that from happening as part of his anti gun agenda.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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It's not necessarily arbitrary, the FBI places these people on a list based on some intelligence, seems prudent to lean towards tighter restrictions and they can challenge their designation.

I don't see it being that effective in any event unless they close the other loopholes in the gun laws, they can always get a gun online or at a gun show or just head to Georgia.
Ban Muslims from owning guns.

Problem solved.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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They aren't doing anything illegal, so why wouldn't they report their income? That is ridiculous.
Nobody is buying and selling thousands of guns while not being a dealer.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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Nobody is buying and selling thousands of guns while not being a dealer.

Maybe thousands was excessive.

How about hundreds?

If you want to claim these people do not exist, then you are certainly welcome to.

It just seems like a pretty easy fix to me.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:28 AM
 
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That would require the ATF to actually issue ffl licenses to non businesses like was done in the 70's to early 90's. Of course Clinton stopped that from happening as part of his anti gun agenda.

Sorry I am not familiar with this.

Are you saying that at one time what I suggested was already in place and Clinton eliminated it, and somehow that was an "anti-gun" move?
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You can't buy a gun on line without passing a background check, if you buy from a dealer at a gun show you have to pass a background check, you cannot purchase a gun in another state without having it mailed to a gun shop in your state and then you have to pass a background check.

Private sales do not necessarily go through a background check, whether it's online or through a gun show. Gun shows are not entirely FFl's almost half of all sales are private.

Most gun shows in NY recently agreed to tag each gun leaving the show as having gone through a background check.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/ny...ecks.html?_r=0

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Old 11-17-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Private sales do not go through a background check, whether it's online or through a gun show. Gun shows are not entirely FFl's almost half of all sales are private.

That is correct.

I do not advocate the need for an actual "private sale" to have to go through a background check, but what I am in favor of is stopping these dealers, who call themselves "private sellers" from getting around them.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Maybe thousands was excessive.

How about hundreds?

If you want to claim these people do not exist, then you are certainly welcome to.

It just seems like a pretty easy fix to me.
I'm not sure I need to address it. You just admitted you deal in hyperbole.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There are no "loopholes" in the gun laws. If you buy from a seller that holds an Federal Firearms License then you will go through a background check. That happens if you are at a retail store, a gun show or their home (yes, I've purchased from an FFL at their home). If you are buying from someone who does not hold an FFL and face to face sales are legal in that location then there is no loophole.

Please explain how you can buy a gun online without going through a licensed FFL dealer? If you buy from someplace like Midway USA or Cheaper Than Dirt, hey will only send the firearm to an FFL they have on file. The FFL contacts the customer when the firearm is delivered and they go through a background check when the customer picks it up.

I'm not arguing that private sales are illegal but it is most certainly a loophole, that is an easy way to avoid a background check.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:39 AM
 
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I'm not sure I need to address it. You just admitted you deal in hyperbole.

I didn't ever expect you to.

I typed thousands, and then corrected it, before your response.

Again you are certainly welcome to not address the issue, but when your kind denies the fact that it is happening, it weakens the entire stance.

I am 100% in favor of the 2nd amendment, but I will not ignore or deny reality to fit my convictions.
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